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Fannie and Freddie - UMDP / UAD Forms Redesign Initiative - They ARE interested in appraiser input. Surprise!

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WRT the level of detail they're talking about, a competent appraiser is already seeing and considering these elements in their opinions and conclusions. The form will compel the low-information appraisers to put more effort into what they're looking at so they won't be as likely to miss something due to not looking for it.

I doubt the collection of the additional data is going to add a whole lot to contributing to what a competent appraiser is SR1 seeing or to their opinions and conclusions but it will help the reader better understand what the appraiser is seeing. As for the additional time/effort involved, how much time/effort do you spend now on SR2 describing the subject improvements (for example) in your report? Not much, so if you were spending 5 minutes on it before and now you have to spend 10 minutes that's not some huge sacrifice for you.

The other thing I'll note is that the more info that's directly addressed in the main body of the report the less need there is for the big collection of written addenda pages. You'll have more room in the main form to say what you need to say. And more importantly, the reader will be better able to read the report from beginning to end instead of having to flip back and forth between report and addenda. It'll also make it a lot easier for the reviewers to review - same issues are addressed in the same manner and in the same spot in the report all the time; no more having to go on the easter egg hunt to find where this particular appraiser put their commentary on exposure time.
I’ve got canned descriptions that I can edit. It takes me 10-30 minutes, sometimes longer if there too many amenities. General appraising taught me to describe everything in short summary.

If you go further down the page, you’ll see the subject improvements section and proposed extreme, additional data PER room. So an appraiser could give a C3 for bathroom and then a C4 for living room. Sounds confusing huh?

Though, if we have to fill this out, I sure hope commentary won’t be requested. Lol!
 
How about this:

There are basically 3 ways to describe something; with a pic, a table/checklist, or with a paragraph. So the more tabular/checkboxes they can use the less original writing they'll have to read.

The original URAR came out before the rise of the personal computer. They were designed to be filled out by hand or by typewriter. They were rendered as physical copies and it was common for appraisers to build one copy for their own file and 2-3 copies to be delivered by hand or by mail or courier service to the client.

That's how the 2-pg form plus 10pg of written/printed addenda came to be. But we moved past the necessity of using typewriters and glue sticks and rub-on arrows and copy machines and snail mail a long time ago. Instead of looking at these reports primarily in terms of page count it makes more sense to look at them in terms of how long it takes to convey that info. If your report now consists of 6 pages of URAR, 2-3 more pages of printed filler and 2-3 more pages of written/edited narrative addenda then the non-exhibit portions of your reports are already in excess of 10 pages. I don't even know how long this revised URAR will be, but even if it ended up being a 12-pg "form" that still wouldn't amount to more pages for you to complete and track than what you've already been doing. Not if it is built well enough to render obsolete the written narrative addenda for most of your assignments.
 
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WRT the level of detail they're talking about, a competent appraiser is already seeing and considering these elements in their opinions and conclusions. The form will compel the low-information appraisers to put more effort into what they're looking at so they won't be as likely to miss something due to not looking for it.
The detailed characteristics of lights and ceiling heights are not that important overall for the appraisal. If ceiilng height is below normal then that's a concern.
Real appraisers know location, gross area, & condition are most important.
Skippy will care less of accuracy and just fill the characteristics as they want.
I doubt the collection of the additional data is going to add a whole lot to contributing to what a competent appraiser is SR1 seeing or to their opinions and conclusions but it will help the reader better understand what the appraiser is seeing. As for the additional time/effort involved, how much time/effort do you spend now on SR2 describing the subject improvements (for example) in your report? Not much, so if you were spending 5 minutes on it before and now you have to spend 10 minutes that's not some huge sacrifice for you.
Detailed characteristics not that important to appraiser and lender.
What is concerning is the homeowner who will see any discrepancies and make issue of it even though they are not the intended user.
The other thing I'll note is that the more info that's directly addressed in the main body of the report the less need there is for the big collection of written addenda pages. You'll have more room in the main form to say what you need to say. And more importantly, the reader will be better able to read the report from beginning to end instead of having to flip back and forth between report and addenda. It'll also make it a lot easier for the reviewers to review - same issues are addressed in the same manner and in the same spot in the report all the time; no more having to go on the easter egg hunt to find where this particular appraiser put their commentary on exposure time.
Instead of concentrating on important aspects of appraising, appraiser will be distracted from less important issues like ANSI.
Inexperienced appraisers should be concern with real aspects of appraising.
 
My point is that the level of information it takes for an appraiser to develop their opinions and conclusions will be different than the level of information it takes a reader to understand what the appraiser is doing and why they're doing it. Especially when it comes to if/when an appraiser is trying to obscure-by-omission these attributes as a means of mischaracterizing the property and the comparability of the sales being chosen as "most similar".

"You never asked me how tall the ceilings were, so that's why I didn't mention the fact they're only 7ft. My *opinion* that this floorplan has the same market appeal as the comps with the 9-10ft ceilings is my opinion. The fact you didn't realize the wall height is 7ft or that you disagree with my opinion about the market appeal isn't my problem.".
 
How about this:

There are basically 3 ways to describe something; with a pic, a table/checklist, or with a paragraph. So the more tabular/checkboxes they can use the less original writing they'll have to read.

The original URAR came out before the rise of the personal computer. They were designed to be filled out by hand or by typewriter. They were rendered as physical copies and it was common for appraisers to build one copy for their own file and 2-3 copies to be delivered by hand or by mail or courier service to the client.

That's how the 2-pg form plus 10pg of written/printed addenda came to be. But we moved past the necessity of using typewriters and glue sticks and rub-on arrows and copy machines and snail mail a long time ago. Instead of looking at these reports primarily in terms of page count it makes more sense to look at them in terms of how long it takes to convey that info. If your report now consists of 6 pages of URAR, 2-3 more pages of printed filler and 2-3 more pages of written/edited narrative addenda then the non-exhibit portions of your reports are already in excess of 10 pages. I don't even know how long this revised URAR will be, but even if it ended up being a 12-pg "form" that still wouldn't amount to more pages for you to complete and track than what you've already been doing. Not if it is built well enough to render obsolete the written narrative addenda for most of your assignments.
Unfortunately they have commentary boxes on the right hand sides for each area to fill in.
 
My point is that the level of information it takes for an appraiser to develop their opinions and conclusions will be different than the level of information it takes a reader to understand what the appraiser is doing and why they're doing it. Especially when it comes to if/when an appraiser is trying to obscure-by-omission these attributes as a means of mischaracterizing the property and the comparability of the sales being chosen as "most similar".

"You never asked me how tall the ceilings were, so that's why I didn't mention the fact they're only 7ft. My *opinion* that this floorplan has the same market appeal as the comps with the 9-10ft ceilings is my opinion. The fact you didn't realize the wall height is 7ft or that you disagree with my opinion about the market appeal isn't my problem.".
Can we all admit they don’t even read the damned reports!! It’s just gonna slide through a computer and data harvest the information. So eventually anyone can appraise because it will allow the simple mind to just check boxes. Too much paperwork = too many errors. What’s the point of 1,500 hours of experience and 200 hours of education at this point?
 
Unfortunately they have commentary boxes on the right hand sides for each area to fill in.

There is no way that lenders' desire for more commentary won't grow and grow and grow. its like a bureaucrat's hunger for more taxes. :cautious: No matter how well we eventually adapt to the new format, the initial "learning curve" will be a bit of a cluster****. I only hope that the software providers are up to it and have some useful training set up (read: NOT simply a bunch of "watch these videos" hints). :unsure:
 
Here’s my original email to Freddie/Fannie that made them want to talk to me directly about the URAR redesign…from an appraiser stand point.

To whom this may concern;


As a licensed appraiser, I have been analyzing the new design of the URAR and also contemplating issues of appraisals taking too long. My comments, I’m sure, will not be taken into consideration. However, the proposed resign of URAR will take far more time to complete than the current form. I have gone through the pages available for viewing and all I have to say is why?

The form being updated most certainly does not have appraiser input, because why would an appraiser want to add more time, per report, with their current workload? Secondly, how is this going to benefit reduced time for appraisals when the proposed form will take longer to fill? Seems like conflicting issues. It shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to see that problem!

Third, this form is going to force me to find another career path. The level of detail per room that is going to be required is so mind numbing. The dwelling interior form wants to me to state flooring type in each room and then generalize it in a separate dwelling interior section for both quality and condition again? That’s double entry. Fourth, what does it matter what the condition of each room is? A C3 is generally a C3 throughout and same with a C4. How can you give condition ratings of a house and have multiple different answers? That’s going to cause a lot of red flags and additional questions. Fifth, not only is their additions detailed improvements sections, now you want additional detailed commentary for each picture? More sections to fill equal more problems for errors.

Like I said, it may be time to find another career path for myself. I understand kitchen/bathroom updates could be clarified separately, but adding in separate sections for condition, ceiling height, counter material, etc for each room is excessive. If I had any viable input, the only thing I would change is have a simple checkbox list of each building component to state if something has been updated or not. These include HVAC, roof, water heater, electric, cabinets, flooring, appliances, windows, etc. Basically big ticket items that have contributory value. All of that detailed nonsense per room is exhausting.

A lot of appraisers are either going to quit or simply make up canned forms to avoid all of this additional data input which will cause errors. Stick with the basics and highlight components have bring contributory value. I certainly would not want to add comments after having to click through all the required details.

If the point is to have an industry of click form appraisers that want to rush to get through the questions and be too exhausted to analyze, then this form absolutely does it! Good job, folks! Let the red tape begin. I just hope that the lenders won’t require additional comments with all this added data input.

My last and final opinion, keep is basic. The only issue I have ever had, repeatedly, in houses is that a homeowner may change all the important items like HVAC, electrical, roofing, plumbing and windows but never update the interior or vice versa where a homeowner updates all of the cosmetic but none of the big ticket items as stated above. The issue of C3-C4 has always been a problem because their should be one in the middle. Either case of updates are relevant, but the problem I see in this industry is that cosmetic updates bring higher value than mechanical updates that make a home function efficiently for longer which costs just as much. All this other crap of floor type per room and condition per room is superfluous.

And while your at it, force a change in the real estate agent world. Make them add more photos and detail for comps! RE agents need way more regulation than we do. Agents are sloppy and they should be legally bound to ethics regulations. Why is it fair that I should have to blur out photos and refrain from certain “bias” language when they can show images of humans and use words such as desirable, prominent, highly sought after, good neighborhood, mother in law suite, man’s cave, etc….it’s just plain hypocrisy and a double standard.

Lindsey
 
Unfortunately they have commentary boxes on the right hand sides for each area to fill in.
But it's a structured format so that commentary will always be in the same field in every report, not buried in the middle of another paragraph somewhere back in the addenda.

I've been using an Excel-based form format for most of my assignments since about 2007 or so. It's somewhat a mashup between TAFs Uniform Commercial/Industrial Appraisal Report format they published in the 1990s, one of the commercial forms out of the old MCS appraisalware program with a couple touches I added from the newer AI forms. So I'm only saying what I mean in my report; I don't have to deal with I don't mean so I don't have to add a lot of clarifications or redundancy. (I can use these formats because I operate outside the GSE pipelines). I did up URAR and 1025 versions in Excel but they're obviously not compatible with the electronic data transfer protocols the GSEs are using.

I use variations of the same format for all property types I appraise, including commercial/industrial, multi-family and land. The front and back ends are basically the same but the valuation sections are different. The SFR version I use runs 13 pages with the addenda of the report being limited to the pics and maps and such.

I run these on letter sized and with a default line height of .21" instead of the .18" that I have to use for the GSE forms I have. Fewer lines per page, less clutter, more narrative, more symmetry in my columns, etc. As a result, I never have to use an addenda with this type of format because I can put everything I need to say directly into the main body of the report. My readers read these from front to back so there's no need to refer further to an add-on in the back of the report. If my appraisal problem gets so hairy that I need more room to address a topic I simply add a page in that section of the main body of the report.

My point is that I don't save any time on my end when compared to filling out a URAR+addenda. What does happen is that it's easier for my readers to read, and easier for any reviewers to review because they don't have to looking for where I addressed something. Site issues are always addressed in the site section of the report. Improvements issues are always addressed on that page. etc. etc.
 
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