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FHA Appraisal Question Mobile Home

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keyslammer

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I am just a normal everyday person...not an appraiser by the way. I do have a question though. With all the recent foreclosures and FHA being inundated with homes they have foreclosed on, are they making new rules for FHA loans for mobile homes? We have a beautiful home we are trying to sell and had a contract on it within the first 2 weeks on the market. When the appraiser went out he nickel and dimed us to death on the home, saying there was a tiny chip in the fireplace tile (inside), the carpet had met it's life expectancy and there was a damaged piece of corner piecing on the exterior where a large piece of hail had hit it. The chip in the tile inside the fireplace has no bearing of the integrity of the fireplace and the damaged piece of exterior siding has no bearing on any water leakage, etc. It is only cosmetic. As for the carpet, the woman buying the place is wanting to put in her own carpet in about a year after she has saved up some plus change parts that are currently carpeted to tile flooring, etc. The carpet has some wear to it but mostly it is just in need of a cleaning, which we agreed to have done at the time of the contract signing. The fridge and oven were ours to begin with as the home did not have one when it was bought. The home was bought outright...cash when we bought it. Is FHA being more demanding with the rash of foreclosures they're sitting on and being more demanding of the people who have homes they are selling. Would they be nearly as "picky" if it was one they already have that is a foreclosure. Not trying to be mean here, but that appraisal was just ridiculously petty.
 
Sounds like the appraiser was just describing the property. Here is a copy and paste from a manual appraisers must following in completing appraisals for FHA/HUD (It's just a brief overview and not comprehensive but it applies to your question)

FHA Quick Tips

Minimum Property Requirements (MPR) and Minimum Property Standards (MPS)
For new construction to be eligible for FHA financing, it must comply with HUD’s Minimum Property Standards (including 24 CFR 200.926d). Existing construction must comply with HUD’s
Minimum Property Requirements (HUD Handbook 4905.1). .

In the performance of an FHA appraisal, the appraiser must denote any deficiency in the appropriate section(s) (site issues in the site section, improvement issues in the improvements section) of the appraisal report. The appraiser is to note those repairs necessary to make the property comply with FHA’s Minimum Property Requirements (MPR) or Minimum Property Standards (MPS) together with the estimated cost to cure. The lender will determine which repairs for existing properties must be made for the property to be eligible for FHA-insured financing.

Cosmetic repairs are not required; however, they are to be considered in the overall condition rating and valuation of the property. Examples of cosmetic repairs would include surface treatments, beautification or adornment not required for the preservation of the property. For example, generally, worn floor finishes or carpeting, holes in window screens, or a small crack in a windowpane are examples of deferred maintenance that do not rise to the level of a required repair but must be reported by the appraiser.

The physical condition of existing building improvements is examined at the time of the appraisal to determine whether repairs, alterations or inspections are necessary - essential to eliminate conditions threatening the continued physical security of the property.

Required repairs will be limited to necessary requirements to:
• protect the health and safety of the occupants (Safety)
• protect the security of the property (Security)
• correct physical deficiencies or conditions affecting structural integrity (Soundness)

A property with defective conditions is unacceptable until the defects or conditions have been remedied and the probability of further damage eliminated. Defective conditions include:
• defective construction
• other readily observable conditions that impair the safety, sanitation or structural soundness of the dwelling

Typical conditions that would require further inspection or testing by qualified individuals or entities:
• infestation – evidence of termites
• inoperative or inadequate plumbing, heating or electrical systems
• structural failure in framing members
• leaking or worn-out roofs
• cracked masonry or foundation damage
• drainage problems

Appraisers are reminded not to recommend inspections only as a means of limiting liability. The reason or indication of a particular problem must be given when requiring an inspection of any mechanical system, structural system, etc.

These guidelines are provided to assist in the examination of the property. To perform this analysis, the appraiser must have full access to all property improvements.

If unable to visually evaluate the improvements in their entirety, contact the lender and reschedule a time when a complete visual inspection can be performed. This includes access to the crawl space and attic. The appraiser is not required to disturb insulation, move personal items, furniture, equipment, plant life, soil, snow, ice or debris that obstructs access or visibility.

An inspection done in accordance with these guidelines is visual and is not technically exhaustive. These guidelines are applicable to buildings with four or less dwellings units and their related property improvements.
 
Interesting!

Thanks so much. So you're saying (according to this info you posted for me) that the carpeting might not have a bearing on the loan that much, but the appraiser had to give his opinion with regard to the appearance? OK...gotcha. Really, the carpet is nice. It's not in bad repair except in 1 spot in the hallway where a puppy decided she had an appetite for beige carpeting one morning back last spring. The other can be steam cleaned by a professional and look beautiful.

As for the other things he listed, none of them affect the general appearance and would not even be noticed unless you were doing some sort of an inspection. The crack in the tile inside the fireplace and the chipped (about the size of a half dollar or smaller) piece of the corner edge siding. I can understand FHA's apprehension on lending on SOME mobile homes, but this one is in great shape, gorgeous 1/2 acre lot, everything about it is sound. As a matter of fact I felt much safer in that home than many foundation homes I have EVER lived in. It's like a rock. Thanks again for your info. You've helped a lot.
 
Could not have said it any better Greg.

The only thing I could add is the appraiser may have referred to those items as cosmetic. Did the appraiser make the appraisal subject to those items being repaired or did he do an AS IS appraisal?
 
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It just seems that FHA is sitting on so many foreclosures right now the private sellers are put on the back burner when it comes to funding a loan. Plus, they are selling all these foreclosures they've got "AS-IS" with bad carpet, linoleum, bad foundations, no appliances, some even stripped of the kitchen sink, just to get out from under them and then for the private sellers they are demanding they install new carpet, appliances, and everything. Then the people that are buying these "As-Is" homes for a song are stuck with them unless they get new carpet, linoleum, fix the foundation, etc. and will not be able to sell them to anyone else that is going via FHA or even a conventional loan. I'm not willing to do all that. I will sit on the place and wait for a cash sale and sell AS-IS myself or maybe even lease it out. To heck with FHA, VA, FANNIE MAE and all the rest of those organizations. My home is in a lot better shape than a majority of their foreclosures they are stuck with right now.
 
Foreclosure properties tend to be in lesss desirable condition than the average properties on the market. For a property to qualify for conventional financing most lenders want that property to meet certain requirements. HUD/FHA has a MPR which is the minimum requirements for the home to qualify to be insured by FHA. The homes that HUD/FHA have or are selling due to foreclouse do not have to meet their MRP since they are foreclosures. They will not insure them under their guidelines unless it qualifies for a 203K program loan. Foreclosures that are in less than desireable condition and may not quality for conventional financing have a limited market. Mainly investors who can pay cash or have a line of credit that they can dip into. The purchase these properties and flip them after they required repairs are made.

You never did answer my question about was the appraisal made subject to or as is. Were there are comments about those items being considered to be cosmetic?
 
Sorry for the mis-spelling in the above post. I worked out in the yard today using a shovel and I can't control my hands too well.
 
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I apologize for flying off the handle with my comments. Selling a home is stressful to say the least and I guess I just take things said about my home very personal since we took such wonderful care of the place. In answer to your post about cosmetic versus As-Is, etc. Actually, my Realtor is the one who told me about the comments the appraiser had with regard to the carpeting, small chipped piece of tile in fireplace, as well as a small crack in the corner piece of the siding outside. She told me that I will not be able to actually "see" the appraisal, that it goes to the Lender. I do believe though that these comments were based on "cosmetic" things though...not requirements or saying that the home is unfit for a loan. So see, that's another thing...I don't understand why everything seems to be so hush hush. Why can the owner of the property not see a copy of the appraisal and repair the cosmetic things if it doesn't go into a big load of money? All of the paperwork is at the Underwriters now and we were supposed to close on the 28th of May. Still have not heard anything. My Realtor sent me an extension agreement to the original contract last Friday, extending the closing to June 9th. I am SO hoping this loan goes through. Not just for me, but I would really like to see this woman have my home. It just seems to me that the mortgage company has gone about things in a backwards way. It's my understanding that an inspection has to be done by a Registered Engineer prior to the appraisal even and to my knowledge that has not been done. I can just see all this coming back from the Underwriters saying everything that is required has not been done. I was under the impression that you pay a Realtor to handle all these things for you and make sure everything is taken care of...not the seller "reminding" them of things. When I mention things to my Realtor she just says, "well, they know what they're doing and all we can do is wait and see what they say". I'm a go-getter type person. I don't like just sitting around waiting for someone to say that the ball has been dropped along the way. It's so aggravating.

Hope everyone has a safe and enjoyable Memorial Day!!!
 
Keyslammer,

You are correct that an inspection has to be done by a Registered Engineer. Click on the PDF I am providing concerning manufactured home foudations. It takes a lot of time to close an FHA insured loan. There are a lot of hoops to go through. Everything has to be done according to HUD/FHA protocal. Be patient and hopefully the loan will close soon.

Good Luck!
 
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RSW,

Thanks for the reply again. I do appreciate it. See, that is exactly what I'm talking about. To my knowledge a Registered Engineer has not been out. I could be wrong but nobody has said anything to me about it. Also, my home is NOT "Retrofitted". It is anchored into the ground and sitting on top of concrete blocks and vinyl skirting has been added. It's my understanding that a retrofit costs in excess of $4700, too. If they keep doing this nickel and dime thing to my property I'm going to end up cutting THEM a check on closing. SHEESH! Does it stop? If my home's "permanent foundation" does not meet their standards will they give me time to hire someone to install the retrofit and then say OK on the loan or do we have to go through the whole process again? Also, the property on the State website is listed as "Real property" and the home is considered a permanent structure on the land. Does this have any positive bearing on the outcome of FHA lending on this?

I do appreciate all of your information. It's just about to drive us crazy.

Thanks again!
 
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