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Functional Obsolescence on Outbuilding

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Alijandi20

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I have a subject in a rural village that is 1950s ranch in c4/c5 condition with no garage, but has a 36'x24' outbuilding. Most other comparables within the market area have attached/detached garages for car storage. The subject's outbuilding has a sliding barn door that is not suitable for easy car storage, so I would not be able to substitute it for a garage. I am able to bracket the outbuilding with only one comparable that is located within the market area but outside the village limits.

I've been taught that an item is functionally obsolete when the cost to replace is more than its contributing value. Are there other reasons why an item can be functionally obsolete?
 
I have a subject in a rural village that is 1950s ranch in c4/c5 condition with no garage, but has a 36'x24' outbuilding. Most other comparables within the market area have attached/detached garages for car storage. The subject's outbuilding has a sliding barn door that is not suitable for easy car storage, so I would not be able to substitute it for a garage. I am able to bracket the outbuilding with only one comparable that is located within the market area but outside the village limits.

I've been taught that an item is functionally obsolete when the cost to replace is more than its contributing value. Are there other reasons why an item can be functionally obsolete?
I would consider it equal to a garage and not dig myself into a corner couldnt get myself out of. If asked just state your Comp- X has a outbuilding and thats all there is and be done.
 
I have a subject in a rural village that is 1950s ranch in c4/c5 condition with no garage, but has a 36'x24' outbuilding. Most other comparables within the market area have attached/detached garages for car storage. The subject's outbuilding has a sliding barn door that is not suitable for easy car storage, so I would not be able to substitute it for a garage. I am able to bracket the outbuilding with only one comparable that is located within the market area but outside the village limits.

I've been taught that an item is functionally obsolete when the cost to replace is more than its contributing value. Are there other reasons why an item can be functionally obsolete?
funct obs is when the market has no demand and will not pay for a feature, either because no or little demand for it in an area, or if it is too dilapidated to be useful/cost to repair is more than it is worth.

The house is c4 or c 5 so how much worse is the outbuilding ? That is a good size outbuilding and suitable to a workshop or garage, A person would have to retrofit it or modify it but the whole property sounds dated so sounds like it would appeal to a project buyer or investor -large size of outbuilding makes it;s value equivalent to another outbuilding or detached garage. Unless it is in poor condition but only you know the condition.
 
I was trained to never use that dirty word functional obsolesce no matter what a structure that size has Utility Value if nothing else to store stuff in. Its way bigger than a standard 360 to 400 sq.Ft, 1950s 2 car garage.
My point is its functional until its ready to be torn down. And do not use that word obsolescence :)
 
funct obs is when the market has no demand and will not pay for a feature, either because no or little demand for it in an area, or if it is too dilapidated to be useful/cost to repair is more than it is worth.

The house is c4 or c 5 so how much worse is the outbuilding ? That is a good size outbuilding and suitable to a workshop or garage, A person would have to retrofit it or whatever but the whole property sounds dated so sounds like it would appeal to a project buyer or investor anyway. Imo the large size of outbuilding makes it;s value equivalent to another outbuilding or detached garage. Unless it is in poor condition but only you know that.
I believe the outbuilding is in better shape than the interior of the house, although I was only able to see its exterior. We have about 1.5 ft of snow and the sliding barn door was either frozen shut or just too heavy for me to open, so I didn't get to see the inside. The lender isn't requesting interior outbuilding photos anyway. But the aluminum siding is in great shape and the exterior wooden foundation (below the siding) isn't rotting. I'm beginning to think it's not functionally obsolete.
 
I believe the outbuilding is in better shape than the interior of the house, although I was only able to see its exterior. We have about 1.5 ft of snow and the sliding barn door was either frozen shut or just too heavy for me to open, so I didn't get to see the inside. The lender isn't requesting interior outbuilding photos anyway. But the aluminum siding is in great shape and the exterior wooden foundation (below the siding) isn't rotting. I'm beginning to think it's not functionally obsolete.
Actually most men buyers would love it - I like it :)
 
I was trained to never use that dirty word functional obsolesce no matter what a structure that size has Utility Value if nothing else to store stuff in. Its way bigger than a standard 360 to 400 sq.Ft, 1950s 2 car garage.
My point is its functional until its ready to be torn down. And do not use that word obsolescence :)

Actually most men buyers would love it - I like it :)
The buyer is a man, so XD
 
And wives love it cause it gets their man out of the house and out their hair !!

Though some women could use the workshop too just saying-
 
I've been taught that an item is functionally obsolete when the cost to replace is more than its contributing value. Are there other reasons why an item can be functionally obsolete?
Just because it exhibits functional obsolescence does not mean it is worth zero. Shops are commonly very "functional" and unless in poor condition, generally contribute value of some sort.

So first you need to get some idea of the quality and cost of the building as well as its utility. And, of course, you need to find some comps to extract the contribution. So you find a sale with a similar barn/shop but say, different in size.

So the sale price is say $300,000
the land with site improvements & utilities is say $100,000
Net to Improvements is $200,000
The house usually exhibits the least obsolescence (functional) so say the house is 20 years old with 30 years remaining life. It is 40% gone. So you go to the cost book and find it is $150/SF (incl. 10% for Entrepreneurial profit) and the house is 2,000 SF so it is $300,000 RCN, and suffers $120,000 in physical deterioration. That leaves it at $180,000 remaining life. Thus the outbuilding contributes $20,000. Say the shop is 2000 SF too and thus contributes $10/SF. You can apply that $10 to any size shop of similar design.

Also keep those sales in file. It doesn't matter if the sale is nearby only in the same general market area, and time is not an issue. I generally keep such sales for no less than 3 years.

One other caveat is that there are light metal clad sheds with 2" light square tubing, there are pole in the ground barns, there are dirt and concrete floors, and there are high dollar red iron barns. "Black iron" also is a lighter metal frame usually with wood purlins whereas the red iron is usually all metal as are the really light frame - "coast to coast" sheds - which are very cheap comparatively speaking.
1643478846160.pngRed iron, all metal, not insulated
1643478933643.pngBlack iron with wood purlins and insulation
1643478972804.pngCheap canopy carport and same companies build enclosed sheds similar to this

Wood pole frame with floating concrete slab (inside was dirt)

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So you need to try and estimate the quality type and condition

Does it have water? Does it have electricity? Does it have overhead doors and door openers? Is it dirt or wood frame? Poles, continuous footings, metal of one type or another? Insulated or not? Concrete floor or dirt? Use the cost book judiciously but local builder bids are better and you often see pricing in Farm magazines, rural electric co-op periodicals, and the local Shopper magazines.
 
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