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I'm still homeless when it comes to finding someone to train me. But I am not discouraged. I got some excellent advice from slacker and I am by no means sitting still. Just because no one seems to have any confidence in my ability (other than me) I'm not sitting on my hands. I'll just go along trying to train myself by doing appraisals for family and friends until I find some gentle soul who will be willing to give me some constructive criticism and guidance.
Yes....it takes forever to put together a practice appraisal when you don't know what you're doing...and if I could train myself not to eat and my mortgage company to wait a while for a payment, I could make a little faster progress. I have stopped spending so much time looking for a trainer and decided I'll just have to put together a package that will show them just how valuable I can be to them. It takes a little longer this way and I will still need to be trained by a professional when I get through, but at least they'll have a good idea of where to start with me.
As a realtor I have the advantage of being able to follow an appraiser around when they come out to my listings. I ask a lot of questions and watch what they do, even help..ha,ha sometimes. Most of them are awesome..even encouraging. Of course I did have one who asked me how many people were in my class (35) and then proceeded to tell me that was 35 too many. He said we don't need any appraisers in this area and I should do myself a favor and forget it. He's entitled to his opinion, but I don't have to agree with him. What's sad is I was really impressed with his professionalism and couldn't criticize a single thing he did. I hope some day I can be that good. He checked everything very systematically and questioned things that most people wouldn't even have noticed. I actually learned more from him than any one else I've watched.
The problem here is that while I am very aware of what is involved in an inspection, I haven't been involved with the work before and after. I've done many CMA's as a realtor....GOOD ONES... so I'm using some of what I've learned there...but it's not enough. I'll bet almost everyone here knows that in most offices realtors recieve NO training in how to do a CMA. I was lucky because I went to an office where my broker offered classes to teach us how to do a CMA. We actually had to go out to houses she provided and do the complete evaluation on our own, then we went to class and had to present our market and explain our reasoning. It was great because she'd already done it and could point out things we'd missed that would add or detract from the value. Her reasoning was that her agents should ALL be able to do the market and come in the same general range. The classes weren't mandatory but strongly recommended. Agents in our office have to provide our CMA with every listing and if we don't do our homework and fly by the seat of our pants or pull a number out of the air, she'll show us the door. Yes...sometimes the seller doesn't listen and wants to try the market at their own price...but on their regular reports that they get to show what we're doing to sell their home, the first line states the list price AND the recommended list price. That way...they know and are reminded regularly where their home should be listed.
I am assuming that is the kind of training I will be recieving once I find someone. Appraisals are VERY important and I never want to be considered a number hitter. I have seen first hand what happens when someone pays too much for a house and then needs to sell it for whatever reason and can't come close to what they paid. There are tons of foreclosures in my area and lots of new construction. The market here is very volatile and a real challenge. I'll just keep plodding along and trying to do my own thing for a while. One of these days I will make it and I will be a survivor. There's got to be a need for another honest appraiser one day.
 
Karon,

In all honesty, it isn't that folks in your area won't hire you because you are an unknown quantity. The truth is that the demand must be insufficient to warrant them taking on any trainee. The multi-appraisers shops in your area probably aren't hiring experienced appraisers, either. With the liabilities involved, many appraisers, myself included, would never even consider taking on any employee or subcontractor who isn't a direct blood relation. Relation by marriage probably wouldn't even cut it. So don't take it personally.

Your best bet might be to relocate to a job. If you'll check Wayne's jobs board, you'll find a few trainee positions open from time to time, albeit probably not in your area. It all depends on how badly you need to do this.

Whatever you decide to do, I hope it works out for you.


George Hatch
 
I know it's nothing personal. The appraiser that was going to train me says business is down and I've heard that from a lot of people. There are probably over 100 new licensed appraisers here out looking. I just want to make myself one of the more desireable ones so that when something does actually open up they pick me first. (hopefully) That's why I've stopped actively looking for now. Once I have a good sampling of my work I'll start looking again. I've been watching the appraiser disciplines and am amazed at how much risk you take when you take a trainee under your wing. I think I'd have a hard time trusting someone with my license. I've seen several disciplined for trusting what a trainee told them. It's pretty bad that a few bad apples can cause so much grief.
 
Keep talking and talking and talking Karen!

I am new to the profession and I have not found an appraiser to wing me yet. I am in the state of Louisiana (recorded as the worst eonomy by the way), Any appraiser here will be out of their mind to help any one, unless that person is an relative or great friend. I study everyday and read this Forum everyday. I learn more than I should know at this point through this forum.

Alot of talk about mortgage appraisers will be extinct in the near future. I do not believe that for one minute. I believe only the best appraisers that the profession have to provide will be doing thos appraisals, and ofcourse the bad apples. The whole appraisal profession does not evolve around mortgages. Matter of fact only a small percentage of appraisers practice mortgage appraisals. Many will not agree with this, but that is my strong opinion. Go find a cool lawyer and an architect and go to social gatherings to find people to talk to. I found a lawyer and architect. I talk to them on almost daily and they like me. I believe any business is a people business first. Wear a smile.....:)

I have ran my mouth and people have gotten the idea that I am a serious guy and that all I do is study the world of real estate. I have been asked to do appraisals (quite a few actually), I have had some minor personal problems holding me back from doing the requested appraisals. When I get all the data I know I need I will get my career running and life going with no help from mentor. I am determined and I am very confident. I plan on being the very best appraiser or market analyst out there.

I would never worry about any career when you kno wyou are confident, study hard, determined and have a dream.

Goodluck and God bless!
 
You're right..Networking helps! I don't know if it will help in getting a job, but the information I'm getting is invaluable. I love talking to people and picking up tips. This forum is a really good source of information too. I have to be careful because I could spend all day here, every day, and never get bored. That's not very good for my pocketbook, but it's great for learning. Things I never even thought of are discussed in depth. I'm glad I found it. I think the information I've found here will put me way ahead once I actually start and I know that if I run into trouble along the way, I can always get help from some pretty knowledgeable people. It's nice to know I won't be alone. :D
 
Karon,
Your experience hours do not have to be paid hours, If I were in your position I would write an appraisal on every listing I could get into. At some point in time an appraiser will see your body of work. If all else fails you can get all of your experience hours doing demo reports. Once you have a license you will get assignments, good luck.
 
Walt,

Requirements vary by state. Here in California, the state board won't accept experience hours unless the assignment was performed for a "legitimate business purpose" such as a mortgage or estate valuation. 2,000 hours of demonstration reports wouldn't cut it here. Any trainees would be wise to look before they leap.

George Hatch
 
Karon,

Just a couple thoughts. My local Board of Realtors has an Appraisers Council that costs nothing to join. If your area has similar, it may be a good place to meet other appraisers, learn some things, and network a bit. Busy appraisers often need help filing, shooting pics, delivering reports... you never know, something could become of this.

Larger banks, AMCs, and the county assessor's office may also be an area to seek training employment.

And finally, check your state board requirements. NM's offer a portion of the training hours to be compiled from valuations done while acting in the capacity of a real estate licensee (BPO's or market analysis). Up to 500 hrs. if I'm not mistaken. Perhaps Illinois is similar???

Having the real estate background and experience is a huge positive. Don't forget, you probably have built a variety of mortgage contacts in the business. These relationships can be valuable when marketing yourself to a prospective mentor. Start thinking of your assets in terms of 'knowing a particular market area', 'having a feel for the features buyers will pay for and those they won't'. You're in a much more likely position than a 'green to real estate' person to land a trainee job. Just keep plugging.
 
Must be some others who could mentor you in the chicago area. Look for some local appraisers groups, go to meetings, network, call all the banks that have an "in-house" appraisal department and see who is ready to expand.

I can appreciate the fact that when business is good you don't have time to train someone and when business is slow, you don't need someone but to string you along like that sucks.

I presently have one trainee and that is enough, in fact, I would love to see regulations that say ....."one trainee at a time".
 
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