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As an update, I will not be served for months perhaps as the shark chums for other mullets to join the suit so he can seek class action status. He reserves in that filing that the appraiser may be different for different parties, thus he leaves open the possibility that some of my cohorts will also suffer thru the fun.

I double checked the reports and cleared the clients permission for disclosure so here goes

9/96 - Sold $232,000 no realtor (according to one document Deed/ and $220,000 according to another -O&A) Seller is distant cousin to buyer (did not know that until today). 10/96 I appraise for $232,000 [within 20 days of closing but AFTER closing] Mortgage from seller was $232,000 [he walks without either money or debt]. Reappraise in 98 for $233,000. Reappraise after foreclosure $202,000 - place is a garbage heap.

Please tell me at what point would or could have my appraisal influenced the buyer who had already bought.??
 
Ter --

A guess says there's probably something behind the scene in the bank audit that may indeed have nothing much to do with your transaction per se. The decision by the seller to sell to his relative '0-down' is one that only he can regret. They can't make you regret it too, can they?!

I was on the defense end of a class action lawsuit 2 years ago wherein the attorney representing the buyer was using this property as a test case to launch their national "service model." ... Short story: Buyer accused seller that house had an undisclosed wet basement. She hired an engineer to do a report (wise idea) and a retro appraisal. Then took bids and proceeded to have basement drained tiled and redecorated. Then filed the suit. I would assume the attorney managed the order of these happenings. [Permitting closing up the walls and redecorating was a pretty dumb idea.]

My job was to do an independent retrospective for the seller's side.

The day I appraised the property, the following parties were on site: Buyer, buyer's attorney, buyer's husand, some contractor, seller's attorney, the seller and me.

Everybody followed me around. That's a crowd in a 1,040 bi-level.

I did my appraisal incorporating everything: I had benefit of bank appraisal before closing and docs and lots of photos from seller's owner days, the engineer's report, etc. I did both a review of the orignal appraisal and a current appraisal (which, of course, includes the draintiling, etc.).

That case died in the 3rd hearing before the same judge. Seller's penalty was he had to pay his attorney (and me). The report to me was the lady left court in tears after being accused by the judge of trying to extort the seller.
 
About that Legal Insurance, I was under the impression that your monthly Premiums would be a credit against your Total Legal Bill (which is usually inflated) when they have to do any Legal Work. A lot of this is common sense. If you was sued and the Legal Bill came to $ 75,000, do you think that the $ 20.00 premium you was paying would satisfy that bill. I don't think so. I think Lawyers who are involved in this type of Insurance is using it as a gimick to expand his/her Client base.

Leon
 
Leon --

You know, one of these days I'm going to read an E&O policy. If the legal fees aren't covered, the policy is worthless. By time you get done paying the attorneys fees, you'd be better off giving them the house by declaring bankruptcy and starting over.

In Minnesota we have homestead laws, so you get to keep the house, the wife and kids, and one or two automobiles. I think a boat, two paddles and the camping gear. No yatchs or second villas, though.
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>Terrel,

Trying to use lessons learned from several previous threads where posters will describe a situation, but later it turns out that everyone responding with comments, quasi-advice, etc., had misinterpreted what was written (or, actually, more often, was inadequately written by the poster in the first place). Often too, these guys do not even step in to clear up the confusion, or even hang around at all. You're different in both respects. Your situation is well written, and everyone here knew you would follow through with the thread.

Still I have some questions just to be sure. You should try getting questioned by my older brother, a past criminal prosecutor -- about anything. Even explaining the plot of a movie you saw but he missed can be a trying, grueling ordeal.

Just to be sure --

You wrote:

"I am being sued along with a bank and a Poultry company
under federal Racketeering charges after the Bank
repossessed the property from an inept poultry producer."

And also:

"Seller is distant cousin to buyer (did not know that until today)."

And also:

"Mortgage from seller was $232,000 [he walks without either money or debt]."

Ok, I am missing something. You mentioned 100% financing by the "many-times-removed" cousin who had owned one or the other properties (either the father's or the son's or both -- which was it? -- I would guess the son's, right?). If there is the seller financing, where did the bank come from. I guess it is the bank that was financing the father's farm that was taken due to his "cosigning" the loan for the farm for his son, right? So now both properties have been repossessed and resold? Are they located near each other? Do they now have separate buyers/owners? Were they both chicken farms? Are they still?

"Now for punch line three. I appraised the other tract AFTER
the property closed in a sale yet am accused of appraising
the properties for the amount of the mortgage..information I
doubt I even had. They argue my appraisal inticed them to
purchase the property [precognition I suppose, as it closed
weeks before I wrote the report.] The first tract sold for more
than I appraised it for 6 mo. earlier."

"The banker thinks this is not going to fly. The RICO charges are
grasping as straws in their mind. They are chomping at the bit to
have another go at the guy over a truck he has hid that they want
to repo. Nevertheless I do not want to trust my fate with the client."

Now, what are the grounds or what is the reasoning, or however it is best put, that federal RICO statutes are involved? It would not be that federal money was involved (and lost) that got the interest up for it, I would guess? Who wants the truck? I guess the bank, but what does this have to do with RICO and the banker appears to be subject to RICO. There is something that is left out of the puzzle for me. For those who may not know, RICO is the acronym for the federal Racketeering Influenced Criminal Organizations Act. (A reasonably new arsenal for federal prosecutors -- it was once used against a municipal police force in the West, I believe, and has a wide range of applicability, but has not been extensively tested in the courts. It was partly designed for mobsters, I believe, and is also an alternative means of confiscating assets as a result of conviction, I believe.)

"There are several lawsuits over integrator contracts on-going."

Hate to show my ignorance, but I don't have a clue what this sentence means. What is an "integrator contract?" Whose lawsuits are these?

"I finally coughed up $6.95 for a gander at their web site."

Is that all it costs? I always figured it was expensive so forgot about it. I am going to see what it costs here this week for the online Raleigh News & Observer.

"9/96 - Sold $232,000 no Realtor (according to one document Deed/ and
$220,000 according to another -O&A) Seller is distant cousin to buyer
(did not know that until today)."

What does "O&A" mean?

"Please tell me at what point would or could have my
appraisal influenced the buyer who had already bought.??"

Real good question. If that is their charge, it appears you will have little problem winning that argument. They may try to make a case that you "conspired" with the lender after the fact (of the sale), or say the lender needed documentation and preferred such a number as you produced. It is pretty clear to you that they are saying that you overvalued the property? Both of them or just the son's?

Have you made it real clear what all your appraisals were for each time you appraised these two properties over the years (e.g., "I appraised the other tract AFTER the property closed in a sale yet am accused of appraising the properties for the amount of the mortgage..." -- what was this appraisal for and who was the client?) Do you know if any other appraisers have also appraised one or both of them? If yes, I don't think you need to worry at all about "spilling the beans" on them to keep them from going what you are going through. It will certainly come out. Better for them to know sooner than later in my opinion.

Thanks.

Regards,

David C. Johnson</span>
 
O & A - Offer and acceptance. That was rumor and I think is not true. The transfer price was $232,000 and the deed stamps reflect that.

The lawyer charges that I appraised the property for the value of the sellers mortgage ($232,000) which happens to also be the sales price. The bank actually took a $258,000 mortgage (115% ml LTV). The seller split off 10 ac. with a poultry farm and kept a house and 10 acres. But he did not have to bring any money to the table to get rid of the chicken houses..ie.-he did not have to borrow money to close. The buyers apparently were related distantly (again I just learned that). The deed was filed 2 days before my inspection (i.e.-the bank closed the loan before the appraisal was done, very common for this bank and not unique here.) The bank and company are privately held. This bank is tied to the Poultry Company, i.e.-the "intergrator", vertical integrated company from hatching, growing, feeding, processing of the bird. poultry farmers do not own the birds, nor pay for feed - the integrator owns it all except the barn. The grower provides the labor, water, gas and electric. THey are paid for the gain...i.e.- per pound of bird. Your performance is ranked according to bird size. The 25% who grow the most pounds of bird per pound of feed are paid more which is only pennies per pound. However, a 5 # bird with 19,999 other buddies amounts to a good tonnage 5 times a year and that is only one house. This farm had 4. The Top bracket makes much more money than the bottom bracket, nearly double. You are advised by the company field man who recommends temperatures, feeding program, etc. Each bird will average about 25 cents in top bracket, maybe only 15 cents in bottom. Consistently coming in the bottom bracket endangers your contract. Most growers occasionally come into the top 2 brackets, a few never do because they do not do what the field man tells them to do. New house contracts are generally 5 years or the banks won't finance them, but old houses are generally only batch or annual contracts.

Most poultry company vs poultry grower lawsuits are contract disputes. This dispute appears to try and go beyond this, claiming because the BANK which is owned by the same people who own the POULTRY COMPANY, they have somehow conspired to steal these people's property. Mind you, they approached the company about transferring the contract (necessary before selling a farm to get the integrator's approval because the contracts are between owner-company.)

Of course, as I alluded above the bank loaned more than 100% of the value, probably because the poultry company thought the seller was not doing a good job and asked the bank to facilitate getting new blood on the farm. After all, there are only x many birds so it is more profitable for the company to have a better bird and they willingly pay more. In this case it went from fair to really bad.

The client is a bank. The plantiffs were the borrower on the larger tract and a year after the son bought this place his father bought a smaller one nearby that had been on the market for about 18 months. I had appraised it for the previous owner for the same bank, so apparently they simply took my report out of the first file and placed it in the second file of the father. I appraised it only recently for the new owner (sold by the bank for $50,000 as is but they loaned an additional $50,000 to the buyer to repair the dwelling and to re equip the poultry barn. This owner also bought the first tract paying $170,000 and again borrowing bucks to refurbish the dwelling and poultry barns. This buyer has 3 other farms and a crew who works for him. I GAR N TEE he will make a profit as he was once the flock manager for this same company and knows how to raise birds.

Raising chickens is really not brain surgery, just do what they tell you even when it irks you and you can survive. Clearly the business is not as profitable as it was many years ago when Chicken was a growth industry, but you can do it if you try.

As a private bank, mind you, this outfit will loan without reference to my or anyone else's appraisal and frequently close loans before they even send me the appraisal request. These appraisals are generally only for compliance purposes.

The tract sold Oct. 24/25 and I inspected it Oct. 28, reporting the value 10/30. I had no evidence that the transaction was not arm's length so I appraised it for the sales price. As for the other parcel, I never appraised it for these borrowers period, yet I am apparently going to have to defend an appraisal for some other borrower from 1 year before that property was sold. It sold in 87 for $130,000 abt. $140,000 in 93, listed in 95 for $160,000, I appraised in 96 for $134,000 and it sold for $128,000 in 1997 (I think I mistated somewhere else it sold for $140,000 but i rechecked my records and found an old tax history)

I doubt anyone else has appraised it. The first tract I have appraised twice while the Varners owned it, once when the bank owned it, and once when the new owner owned it (again I was sent to appraise it after the sale closed) The other tract was appraised 1 year prior to sale for the current owner then. The only other time was in Feb this year when I appraised it for the new owners. ALL the appraisals are for this same private bank.
 
This is just another indication where the Appraiser is being held responsible for a lot of things that he/she is not privy to or has knowledge of. It has to be specifically established in Law what the Appraiser is Responsible for and what he/she is not. Otherwise the business will continue to decline, and rip-off artist can create a certain situation, and turnaround and get paid by suing the Appraiser. this System is ripe for individuals to scam the Appraiser.

Leon
 
Amen, Leon

We desperately need an explicit statute of limitations that prevents us from being sued AFTER the 5 year record keeping requirement. We also need legislation that allows only the CLIENT or the INTENDED USER (and explicitly not the borrower unless identified as an INTENDED USER) to file suits or complaints to the state. NO PERSON should be allowed to drag you into court who does not have their name on that report.

I am rewriting my Intended user section to quote Stand. 9, not that it will fix the problem. I am also adding a contract clause in my private appraisals that requires any complaints to be handled by a arbitrator and if anyone not named on the report sues me over the report, the CLIENT will foot the legal bills and judgments.
 
Terrel:

This is one problem I have with the Appraisal Organizations where they don't or ever have a Clue about dealing with these type of problems that work against the Appraiser. This is one of many things that should be on their front burner of things to do to make the Profession better for their members, but they don't. They are under the impression that these situation only effect the "Bad" Appraisers until it's their head that's on the block.

leon
 
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