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Global Economy Bursting?

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With the average age rising, and if the retirement age remains what it has been in the past, at some point people have to start realizing that anyone not producing, is costing.
We are living longer...kept alive by medication, interventions, machinery and operations...we are not genetically improving the species. In fact, by intervening at birth, we are making humans weaker and more prone to debilitating diseases like heart disease.
In 1920 if you developed a heart condition (the biggest risk factor in heart disease is, in fact, genetics, not healthy eating and living) you usually died in a few years period. The first attack probably killed you but if not, # 2 or 3 would. Likewise, diabetes was a death sentence. Nevertheless improvements in medicine have allowed a lot of people to continue living a very long time. As I write, I am waiting to hear from a friend who was taken off life support. He has been on dialysis for 2 plus years after developing kidney and bladder cancer. He was "healthy" until then and working. He is also seventh day adventist and was a "health nut" who did not smoke nor drink.

Start walking, lifting weights, eating right, and doing crossword puzzles.
die anyway...my best friends mother developed Alzheimers when she was 54. It took 8 years to die at which time she had been curled up in a fetal position for about 4 years. My brother golfed every day he could get out. He died of Shy Drager syndrome...how prevalent is that? All 3 of the above have something in common. The cost of care was astronomical. In the first 2 it bankrupted them and the state paid much of the cost. In my brother's case, he was able to keep his insurance after retiring and the total bill in the last year of his life was over $1,000,000. Some part of that was paid in part by the taxpayer because the insurer dumped those costs off on Medicare ASAP.. My bro turned 65 3 months before his death. I am sure if an early diagnosis of any of the above, the outcome would have been much the same. In my brothers' case, I am confident that the employer would have found an excuse to fire him had they known of the disease, which is basically undiagnosible in the early part of its cycle - it's always mistaken for Parkinson's.

One other disease needs mentioned. Arthritis is very common and generally develops later in life (in my case I was diagnosed when I was 18.) Anyone who works outdoor work will find it can reach a point you cannot do your job. Carpenters are rarely 60 years old. Some are savvy enough to become a foreman or run a small company but they can no longer stand 8 hr. a day. Go into a meat packing plant. See how many are over 55. Not many.
Exercise will help arthritis but is no cure and if it is centered in your knees, "jogging" will be painful and eventually that pain means you simply should not and cannot continue...knee replacement surgery might or might not improve the condition.
Looking in my own family, people have had to quit work of a certain type time and again because of arthritis. A woodmill worker; horse trainer; a nightwatch that had to make rounds up and down stairs; standing on feet all day at Wal-Mart; carpenter work; mechanic on heavy machinery; and, even myself, I could not go back to the oil field and do exactly the same kind of work without hiring the rigging up and down be done by someone else.

..companies used the depression as an excuse to get rid of. Companies just don’t want people over 50. This seems to be part of the new paradigm
That is the problem. The older worker is the risky worker health wise and therefore, is the potentially costliest. Someone asked what it took to be a manager for Wal-Mart and the reply from someone who was one, went something like this, "You need to be stupid enough to think that they will take care of you for life and healthy as a horse because they are going to work you like one...in other words you need to be young and gullible."

Yes, plan on a "second career"...at much lower income level and hope beyond hope that you live long enough to have the government pay for it. Nevermind the fact you've paid in enough to SSI and Medicare over the years to have bought a lifetime of care.

And if the skills you trained for in college are only going to serve you well for 15 - 20 years before that "transition" is required, then is the cost of education today worth it? probably not. We are all rapidly becoming the wards of the state in a state-industrial society where the government and the business world share a common goal that the average person does not benefit from... as Nassum Taleb put it that he could not understand why Republicans loved BIG business and hated BIG government and Democrats loved BIG government and hate BIG business. Taleb said BOTH are the problem and he hated them both.. As he put it on CNBC the other day, Big government has created benefits for Big business and called it stimulus but it actually makes the small businesses less competitive. And I agree.
 
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Terrell: I am 65 years old and in perfect health. I have been killed 4 times in my life, in other words if I had been born in 1845 instead of 1945 I would have died at 12, 25, 45 and 62 giving no consideration to other deaths prevented by regular care.
 
Start walking, lifting weights, eating right, and doing crossword puzzles.

The purpose is to extend the quality of life, not extend life itself.

Develop multiple passive income streams that can continue even when you are physically unable to work. These streams can also be a legacy to pass on to your family.

As said by a 51 year old appraiser, real estate investor and futures trader who lifts 3 times a week, treadmill 5 times a week and plays ice hockey 2-3 nights per week.

If it doesn't all work out, I tried my best. :shrug:
 
(the biggest risk factor in heart disease is, in fact, genetics, not healthy eating and living)

This is a subject I have great experience with, as I am well read on the subject, and used to be a hardcore vegan and general health nut.

Diet has a huge impact on disease risk, in general much more so than genetics. There are people with defective genes, and of course in those particular uncommon cases they can be the preeminent factor.

One such well documented example came from health guru Dr. McDougall's (from CA) residency. Basically, he got to study three generations of Asians in Hawaii. The older generation, whole ate a natural, unprocessed diet and work in the fields, had very few health problems...no cancer, no heart disease, no diabetes, etc. OTOH, their grandchildren ate the typical American diet and had all the typical American diseases: heart disease, diabetes, etc. If their health were due to their genes, then their grandchildren wouldn't display these problems.

As additional evidence, the Framingham Study is one of the largest studies of the connection between health and diet to date.

As one (of several) examples close to home, a family member with a family history of heart disease has outlived two of his brothers by 24 and 26 years, and still going strong. How? He's the only one that took up a strict diet and exercise regimen.

Few people in this country actually understand what a healthy diet is, because they are so disconnected with the diet that the human body is meant to subsist on.
 
Which brings me to my next issue. One of the reasons that the health care is less expensive in other countries is because people have healthier lifestyles. Walk through NY City, then walk through the city of an European country, and compare the body sizes of the citizens of each...you'll notice a difference. A move toward a more natural diet is a must to keep health care costs down. The reason is that it addresses the root of the problem and effects a cure, rather than simply treating a symptom for the rest of one's life.
 
I've read considerable too, and of course, you can find someone who will list the biggest factor as being

a. activity
b. age
c. hypertension
d. smoking
e. diet
f. stress
g. personality

We can find antedotal evidence to support any and all... but geneticists will point out that a person who eats right and exercises who has a family tree full of early death from heart failure has a higher risk factor than someone who does not exercise and eat "right"- that "Jim Fixx" problem. For those who don't remember Fixx had a family history of heart disease but was a long distance runner. ...and so what is eating "right" mean? Every year..literally every week, a runner dies in a marathon, a teenager dies on the playing field, a professional sports figure collapses and does not recover.
Our star half back in college was a walk on with the Dallas Cowboys. He never got past the doctor. They said he had a heart condition. He didn't believe it. His doctor didn't believe it. Years later, he ended up with a bypass. Yes, he had a heart condition. After the bypass, he continued to exercise and mentally, that is good for him. You can die working, playing, and to die doing what you like isn't a bad way to go. But running isn't going to save you.

When Atkins diet came out saying eat meat and raw veggies, some doctors went to great lengths to say it would raise blood sugars (it did the opposite usually) and increase chloresteral (ditto)... I am diabetic and overweight. My last blood check (Oct.) showed by numbers to be very good, Chloresteral is low, proper ratio, etc.
I eat 2 eggs and bacon for breakfast. Protein and raw veggies for other meals dominate my diet. I avoid corn syrup, breads, processed foods...nevermind the ads claiming it is all the same...
A friend who had a bypass at 44 does not exercise per se, but his last treadmill and blood work was good. After the bypass he lost 60 # and was very thin, totally without energy on the doctor's diet program. His chloresteral was totally off scale and out of balance. He finally chucked the diet and started eating ordinary foods he was used to. His blood came back down. The doctor bragged how great the diet was... So he told the doctor he was full of &^%t and he had dropped that diet long ago. The doctor made him return every 3 months just to prove Butch wrong. He couldn't. That was 15 years ago and like I said Butch's still kickin'. His doctor? He died of pancreatic cancer. He (or I, we) could die tomorrow....same for anyone else. We could force everyone to exercise in order to qualify for Medicare. It won't bring down the cost of medicine.
Time and chance take us all and if it is less stressful to feel in control by eating a vegan diet and running 3 miles, by all means I do not discourage it. Stress will kill you quicker than anything imho. I used to love to play tennis and didn't believe my orthopedic doctor when he told me that I would have to stop doing high impact sports back when I was 22. At age 45, I was told I had perfectly normal amount of arthritis for a man of 70... I was walking 2 miles a day last year. I fell on the ice last spring and my left knee hasn't been the same since. Most days I am lucky to make it thru without a pain pill. I do my therapy exercises, use an electric shock device on my knee but this time, it isn't working to get back where I can walk 2 miles or even 1...yet my blood work is still good.
 
We can find antedotal evidence to support any and all...

My opinions aren't based on anecdotes, but rather epidemiology.

The problem with many opinions and studies we see is that they are based on what occurs only on this country, which is essentially a closed system, and an unhealthy one at that. Once one starts comparing citizens in one country one one diet, and those that come here and either adopt the American diet or stick with their own diet, patterns emerge. Those patterns simply wouldn't emerge if genes were the preeminent factor.

There are also some very interesting results coming from those studies. One relates to "incurable" diseases, such as MS. There is particular geographical distribution for MS, and it just so happens that their is particular dietetic element in the diet of those people within the distribution.
 
Check out this link to see what's coming for the states:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7166293n

California, which faces a $19 billion budget deficit next year, has a credit rating approaching junk status. It now spends more money on public employee pensions than it does on the state university system, which had to increase its tuition by 32 percent.
 
Check out this link to see what's coming for the states:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7166293n

California, which faces a $19 billion budget deficit next year, has a credit rating approaching junk status. It now spends more money on public employee pensions than it does on the state university system, which had to increase its tuition by 32 percent.

If the government media, CBS, broadcasted that segment then you can rest assured that the end is near. Like the lady said: "Maybe 12 months and the bottom falls out." If not sooner. No more state pensions, millions of government employees on the streets.
 
If the government media, CBS, broadcasted that segment then you can rest assured that the end is near. Like the lady said: "Maybe 12 months and the bottom falls out." If not sooner. No more state pensions, millions of government employees on the streets.

Governor-elect Brown is telling the unions bad news is coming but they aren't listening. Meanwhile, Brown is going through the motions of rearranging the deck chairs on the SS California-Titanic. He needs the 2/3 legislative vote just to put tax increases on the bollot in a special election so the legislature might as well pass the tax increases because that requires 2/3 majority.

Life in rainy California is getting worse.
 
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