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[alebrewer]

What difference would it make if you did hear Elon saying that?

I am not at all sure: You, like many others on this forum, IMO, don't communicate with coherent thoughts: The best we can do is try to guess at what you mean, and then, yes, wait for the incoherent complaint, that something somewhere is possibly incorrect and you don't agree with it.

And all we can retort is: So what?

Just curious, Bert. Who is we? I was under the impression everyone except you are morons? Let me know if I'm typing too slow - I'll try to speed up.

 

[Carnivore]

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never mind

 

[TC]

I Groked myself out of curiosity and it appears it knows more about Courtland Gentry than moi. I followed up with a query about anonymity of crypto hard wallets originating from the Isle of Malta and I believe Grok was both curious and angry.

I asked what pro wrestler came from The Isle of Malta.

Baron Mikel Scicluna is a professional wrestler who hailed from the Isle of Malta, according to Grok

 

[RCA]

Just curious, Bert. Who is we? I was under the impression everyone except you are morons? Let me know if I'm typing too slow - I'll try to speed up.

The traditional classification in psychometrics is:

Idiot: IQ 0-25
Imbecile: IQ 26-50
Moron: IQ 51-70


But these terms are no longer used in contemporary psychology or psychometrics because they carry an awful stigma. Instead, the terms "intellectual disability" or "developmental disability" are used. Yeah, they just changed the names to get rid of the stigma, to hide the problem as best possible. And who knows - maybe someday they will figure out a cure. Could be!

So, where does that leave our precious terms "idiot", "imbecile," and "moron"? They are used very loosely in speech. In reality, this means that whatever group of people someone is using as a reference for "average" intelligence, a so-called idiot, imbecile, or moron would be someone who falls considerably below this standard of average.

So we can add to the above classifications:

Below Average Intelligence: 70-84
Average Intelligence: 85-115
Above Average Intelligence: 116-129
Superior or Gifted: 130 and above.

At the University level, "Gifted" really means, I tend to think, having an IQ over 150 -- but it, again, really depends on the milieu, your social environment.

So, if your group, or social milieu, is the set of students going to Stanford University, where 80% of the students have IQs over 130, then I suppose a "moron" would be someone with an IQ of 120 or lower. In that context, that would be the vast majority of appraisers. Then that 20% at Stanford - they are probably ace swimmers, football players or whatever .... or have very good connections.

And not to forget, Feynman always said he had an IQ of 127, and physicists with IQs well over 160 still worship him. He had very special abilities, and it is hard to think his IQ was really 127. Yep, it's just a rough measure of intelligence.

I could say I think appraisers should have such and such skills and be done with it - but given that the audience doesn't understand the skillsets, I may substitute IQ 140 - to convey, to communicate, that the number of appraisers that have such a useful skill set is very low. And given that the majority of current appraisers are well over 50, most will never be able to pick up the new skills needed anytime soon.

 

[Carnivore]

Bert, your presence has been… illuminating. We’ll cherish the echoes.

 

[alebrewer]

I could say I think appraisers should have such and such skills and be done with it - but given that the audience doesn't understand the skillsets, I may substitute IQ 140 - to convey, to communicate, that the number of appraisers that have such a useful skill set is very low. And given that the majority of current appraisers are well over 50, most will never be able to pick up the new skills needed anytime soon.

One one level - I firmly agree with you that the number of 'gifted' folks is very small (those whose Intelligent Quotient falls above 140. And I think it's fair to hypothesize that the sample (in this case, appraisers) should perform similarly to the population - i.e. I wouldn't be surprised if appraisers follow a distribution similar to the population. Of course, the population IQ over 140 is ~ 1/2%. So, if your IQ truly is 140+, then you're most definitely in a very small pool of folks. And I don't think there is any shortage of appraisers on this forum who respect the time and effort you've put in to develop your MARS program. Couple of thoughts:

• You're probably not as smart as you think you are - you're a narcissist
• It matters not one iota what you think about what skills appraisers should have. What matters is what the appraiser's client expects.
• IQ is not static (at least according to most professionals) - it doesn't exist in a vacuum. It is believed that IQ can be enhanced by learning musical instruments, learning new languages, working difficult puzzles, reading, studying math, etc. I've knocked out a few of these - I play several instruments, I'm bilingual, love puzzles, love reading math books, private pilot, BB in Tae Kwon Do, etc. All that to say - you've devoted your life to marking MARS better. I've devoted my life to: (1) learning whatever is interesting to me at the time (currently paints and painting), (2) helping others, and (3) being as nice as I can be (this one isn't as easy)

All that to say, because one chooses to focus his/her talent on MARS does not make everyone who doesn't know MARS a moron. Got a good friend who is unusually gifted - he chose to master the guitar neck. He's a better player than Jeff Beck. Does that mean all folks that can't shred a guitar are morons? Of course not. BTW - you play guitar, Bert?

You're too old, and this is an anonymous forum, or I'd encourage you to be a nicer person. As you're probably too old to change, and as this is an anonymous forum - keep being an &%%. It's unbecoming - but I think everyone's used to it.

 

[alebrewer]

Bert, your presence has been… illuminating. We’ll cherish the echoes.

That's certainly one way to put it.

 

[Bobby Bucks]

I asked what pro wrestler came from The Isle of Malta.

Baron Mikel Scicluna is a professional wrestler who hailed from the Isle of Malta, according to Grok

It's great to know AI can be used for important items, it seems to be wasted on science and economics. I've always been curious which wrestler was disqualified the most for using a foreign object.

 

[TC]

It's great to know AI can be used for important items, it seems to be wasted on science and economics. I've always been curious which wrestler was disqualified the most for using a foreign object.

Professor Tanaka, he WAS a foreign object.

What can I say, I'm a low IQ appraiser.

 

[alebrewer]

Tried doing zoning research with both Grok and CoPilot. CoPilot way outperformed Grok for that application.