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Has Anyone Completed A 3.6 Yet

Sure they rejected : LOCATION; LOCATIO ; LOCATION because it was racist. Truth is they were the racist. not us appraisers

But we did benefit by being more objective and not using subjective words or terms

But here we our today with less and less work. I retired almost perfectly timed when sesk-tops became the some of the most common assignment.

The analysis is the meat of the appraisal report. So why are desk top appraisal fees so low?
 
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So you’re saying snake oil salesmen push snake oil? Why is anyone surprised ? I saw this 8 years ago when I started paying attention to their plan.

Any of it could have stopped if we had enforcement of laws, regulation, and real oversight.
 
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I am currently in TOTAL trying to complete a 3.6 report. I added $200 to my AMC fee and told them 2 weeks. It was kind of a "please don't give this to me" quote and of course they did. I don't think anyone really wants to do these yet.

So far I completed the Setup, Summary, Assignment Info, Subject Property pages. Nothing is hard but this sure is tedious and annoying. I will check back in as a I go.
 
I have had some lengthy discussions about UAD 3.6 with the different AI systems. They start off with Rah! - Rah! UAD 3.6! By the end of the discussions, they collapse into mostly agreement - after I explain the BS and all the things wrong and stupid about it.

See - EVERYBODY just buys Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac's sales pitch. Almost nobody questions UAD 3.6! Why is that?

The only parties UAD 3.6 makes sense for are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - it makes their jobs easier. At least, if you overlook the expense issues. But it doesn't make the appraisals any better. In fact, it makes things worse by increasing subjective input through improper classifications. FM/FM are making certain things more complex, thinking that accuracy will be improved, when it only increases the amount of subjective judgment going into the appraisal. That is largely because they don't understand the underlying math. But sure, superficially, you would think splitting condition/quality ratings between interior and exterior should reduce the impact of subjectivity, since it makes it easier to estimate the cost of repairs if you can do the split (we can guess what they are thinking - THEY will guess the cost of repairs in an audit to attack the appraisers adjustments on exteriror condition/quality) only costs don't equal adjustments and to assume so is subjective judgement. Round and round it goes. They absolutely do not understand what they are doing. And, they are driving up labor and costs for thousands of appraisers - and others.

It's a big waste of resources. Its only real impact is to give FM/FM a comfy feeling that (1) they are making improvements and (2) the new system will be easier for them to manage, under the illusion that appraisal quality, even if not improved, will not be degraded.
 
I have had some lengthy discussions about UAD 3.6 with the different AI systems. They start off with Rah! - Rah! UAD 3.6! By the end of the discussions, they collapse into mostly agreement - after I explain the BS and all the things wrong and stupid about it.

See - EVERYBODY just buys Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac's sales pitch. Almost nobody questions UAD 3.6! Why is that?

The only parties UAD 3.6 makes sense for are Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - it makes their jobs easier. At least, if you overlook the expense issues. But it doesn't make the appraisals any better. In fact, it makes things worse by increasing subjective input through improper classifications. FM/FM are making certain things more complex, thinking that accuracy will be improved, when it only increases the amount of subjective judgment going into the appraisal. That is largely because they don't understand the underlying math. But sure, superficially, you would think splitting condition/quality ratings between interior and exterior should reduce the impact of subjectivity, since it makes it easier to estimate the cost of repairs if you can do the split (we can guess what they are thinking - THEY will guess the cost of repairs in an audit to attack the appraisers adjustments on exteriror condition/quality) only costs don't equal adjustments and to assume so is subjective judgement. Round and round it goes. They absolutely do not understand what they are doing. And, they are driving up labor and costs for thousands of appraisers - and others.

It's a big waste of resources. Its only real impact is to give FM/FM a comfy feeling that (1) they are making improvements and (2) the new system will be easier for them to manage, under the illusion that appraisal quality, even if not improved, will not be degraded.
The interior/exterior condition is just one of the many tedious and pointless clicking I am doing. I am in the middle of the sales comparison approach and currently I think I have LESS input on the outcome of this process instead of more. Maybe this will change by the end of this report but I currently feel like I am not really developing an opinion of value instead just filling out forms with drop downs and check boxes.

Since I have been doing property data collection for a few months, I notice the "Unit Interior" section comes straight from that. Adding each level of the dwelling and each room one by one then individual updates per room/level.

Also this must be a glitch with TOTAL but once I add a photo, it disappears. It's still in the report but is no longer visible to me.

Other things I hate- the opinion of site value is one of the first things this form asks you to do when it should be towards the end.

Going through this I am legitimately wondering if there is any chance that this entire thing can be scrapped.

Appraisers as a whole will hate this with a burning passion. This has made the entire process longer while seemingly allowing the appraiser to do his/her job less. Older appraisers are going to have a miserable time adapting and will leave the business..



I am known to hate change. I thought I was screwed with UAD showed up but I adapted quickly... So maybe after a few I'll be calm... but this blows.
 
It's a big waste of resources. Its only real impact is to give FM/FM a comfy feeling that (1) they are making improvements and (2) the new system will be easier for them to manage, under the illusion that appraisal quality, even if not improved, will not be degraded.
I would add for PR since taxpayers back stop them.
 
I am currently in TOTAL trying to complete a 3.6 report. I added $200 to my AMC fee and told them 2 weeks. It was kind of a "please don't give this to me" quote and of course they did. I don't think anyone really wants to do these yet.

So far I completed the Setup, Summary, Assignment Info, Subject Property pages. Nothing is hard but this sure is tedious and annoying. I will check back in as a I go.
They gave it to you because no one else wants to do them. You should have asked for an additional $1k and see what they said. One appraiser I know got $1.1k for a 3.6 appraisal. Those scum will absolutely pay if no one else can do it.
 
They gave it to you because no one else wants to do them. You should have asked for an additional $1k and see what they said. One appraiser I know got $1.1k for a 3.6 appraisal. Those scum will absolutely pay if no one else can do it.
Let one of their staff do it. ..................cough..........cough.........l.................
 
The interior/exterior condition is just one of the many tedious and pointless clicking I am doing. I am in the middle of the sales comparison approach and currently I think I have LESS input on the outcome of this process instead of more. Maybe this will change by the end of this report but I currently feel like I am not really developing an opinion of value instead just filling out forms with drop downs and check boxes.
You won't be able to see the forest for the trees. A good appraiser can group all of the like things together and single out the value differentiators pretty fast. So forcing the appraiser to document every detail just invites many avenues of attack from the potential aggressor (whoever that might be) - and will likely obscure the features that impact value. This is especially true of secondary bedrooms, bathrooms, and certain other kinds of rooms, which are individually typically not so important. You always focus on the kitchen, master and secondary bathroom and bedrooms, probably grouping most of the other rooms together if they are in the same ballpark of C/Q.

Since I have been doing property data collection for a few months, I notice the "Unit Interior" section comes straight from that. Adding each level of the dwelling and each room one by one then individual updates per room/level.
All of this division, again, it opens the appraiser to attack on specifics, without adding to value. Condition and Quality for the entire property can be accurately measured by the residual, provide you have a good regression R2 or 70-80%. Then the math says you are free to break that down anyway you want into parts and there will be no impact on value. But, FM/FM will have you go in the opposite direction, break everything up into dozens of components, estimate them subjectively and combine the subjective values into a. total adjustment to the net sale price - AND NO THAT WILL NOT BE ACCURATE!!
Also this must be a glitch with TOTAL but once I add a photo, it disappears. It's still in the report but is no longer visible to me.
It was working just fine before, and this is the cost of making changes, stupid changes at that.
Other things I hate- the opinion of site value is one of the first things this form asks you to do when it should be towards the end.
Why? It shouldn't matter one way or the. other - unless you are trying to hit some value and are hoping the site will save you in the end!
Going through this I am legitimately wondering if there is any chance that this entire thing can be scrapped.
Well, if. you don't you might (and I do mean "might") regret it. I don't know;

Appraisers as a whole will hate this with a burning passion.
Well as long as they get paid for their time, which they probably won't.

This has made the entire process longer while seemingly allowing the appraiser to do his/her job less.
Yep. The knotheads over at FM/FM are genuine knotheads. Always have been. I like the word "knot heads" - it suits them well.

Older appraisers are going to have a miserable time adapting and will leave the business..
Honestly, they should have left long ago.

I am known to hate change. I thought I was screwed with UAD showed up but I adapted quickly... So maybe after a few I'll be calm... but this blows.
Be concerned about your NET INCOME and retirement. We are now seeing many baby boomers retiring with no savings. I see it. They spend most of their lives dreaming that it will all work out and in the end wind up living in self storage units - if they are lucky. That is a story in itself. And time slowly, so slowly, creeps upon them, and, oddly, they just keep dreaming it isn't. But the time will come if they don't have any savings. And with a little bad luck, really bad things can happen.
 
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