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Heated Sunroom - GLA

Whichever way you go, be consistent with the comps. If it was part of the original structure i would say GLA, but it looks like an addition to the back of the house. I'm bi on this one, could go either way.

So why do a lot of windows not make it GLA. It's all functional utility, and the perception of it. Ansi is a perverted measuring system.
 
Whichever way you go, be consistent with the comps. If it was part of the original structure i would say GLA, but it looks like an addition to the back of the house. I'm bi on this one, could go either way.

So why do a lot of windows not make it GLA. It's all functional utility, and the perception of it. Ansi is a perverted measuring system.
Yeah, I have seen additions that cost way more to build using replacement costs than the original structure. If you estimated replacement costs of original structure vs the addition, the estimated replacement costs would be more for the addition before the depreciation is counted.

That is measuring a similar size room in the original structure on depreciated costs. Many times the addition is higher quality construction also. The addition may also have more efficient functional utility.
 
This property was not given a full appraisal but only measurements for the purpose of listing on MLS. Our NCREC has its own guidelines to follow for this. This is what we need to follow when only measuring for listing the home and not a full appraisal report. In NC, we can include a finished basement as GLA as long as it is noted that it is below grade. So based off the measuring guidelines from the NCREC it really isn't clear, unless I am missing it. Obviously agent and seller want to count it as GLA and I am not finding a definite "No it cannot be counted as GLA" based on these guidelines we are to use.

NCREC Guidelines:
 
This property was not given a full appraisal but only measurements for the purpose of listing on MLS. Our NCREC has its own guidelines to follow for this. This is what we need to follow when only measuring for listing the home and not a full appraisal report. In NC, we can include a finished basement as GLA as long as it is noted that it is below grade. So based off the measuring guidelines from the NCREC it really isn't clear, unless I am missing it. Obviously agent and seller want to count it as GLA and I am not finding a definite "No it cannot be counted as GLA" based on these guidelines we are to use.

NCREC Guidelines:

My hesitation is the material finish which is also on page 2 of the NCREC Guideline you linked-

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Floor is indoor/outdoor carpet and walls and ceiling are vinyl siding. I would not call it GLA
 
From the Selling Guide - It's a pretty simple read actually.

Fannie Says: Gross Living Area
Appraisers must follow the Square Footage-Method for Calculating: ANSI® Z765-2021 ("ANSI standard") when
measuring, calculating and reporting the gross living area and non-gross living areas (basement, additional
structures, etc.)
of the subject property for most property types. Appraisals requiring interior and exterior
inspections must follow this standard; appraisals of this type performed without using this standard will not be
acceptable.
Note: The ANSI standard cannot be used to measure apartment-style units in condo or co-op projects;
however, it must be used for any non-apartment style dwellings including townhomes, rowhouses, and
other detached single-family homes. When measuring apartment-style units in condo, or co-op
projects; the appraiser should use interior perimeter measurements. The ANSI standard also does not
apply to two- to four-unit properties.
The most common comparison for one-unit properties, including units in PUD, condo, or co-op projects, is above grade
gross living area and below-grade square footage. The appraiser must be consistent when reporting the
finished above-grade gross living area, below-grade square footage, and room count. The need for consistency
also applies from report to report. For example, when using the same transaction as a comparable sale in
multiple reports, the room count and gross living area must not change.

Only finished above-grade areas can be used in calculating and reporting of above-grade room count and
square footage for the gross living area. Fannie Mae considers a level to be below-grade if any portion of it is below-grade, regardless of the quality of its finish or the window area of any room. Therefore, a walk-out basement with finished rooms would not be included in the above-grade room count.
 
I have one right now that is a nightmare. Finished attic 367 sf with 5 ft avg ceiling height probably Q3 quality (max ceiling height 5.8ft). Studio on detached garage with 1/2 bath that is not functional. 657 sf unfinished basement with both interior and exterior access. Home built in 1921. GLA is definitely Q4 quality.

Happy New Year!
 
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If you had to rebuild this house today, It would cost a fortune due to the material cost of the home on the foundation and structures.

Reproduction costs and market value are not equal always.
 
Obviously agent and seller want to count it as GLA and I am not finding a definite "No it cannot be counted as GLA" based on these guidelines we are to use.
You "have" received answers that it cannot be counted as GLA from people who do this every day as real estate appraisers.

You received an interpretation from an appraiser of the NCREC guidelines along with Fannie Mae guidelines once again, by an appraiser.

It's just not the answers that you, the seller, and the agent want to hear.
 
My hesitation is the material finish which is also on page 2 of the NCREC Guideline you linked-

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Floor is indoor/outdoor carpet and walls and ceiling are vinyl siding. I would not call it GLA
Couldn't the siding wall be considered "panelled walls" and does it fall under "etc"?
 
You "have" received answers that it cannot be counted as GLA from people who do this every day as real estate appraisers.

You received an interpretation from an appraiser of the NCREC guidelines along with Fannie Mae guidelines once again, by an appraiser.

It's just not the answers that you, the seller, and the agent want to hear.

For me, I would not count it - based off what I know and have heard. I already delivered this without counting the sunroom. Agent is just asking so I am confirming as it really wasn't clear.
 
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