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Help! VA Appraisal came in $40K less

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Hopeful2021Buyer

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Hi All,
Hoping someone can calm me down as this week as been awful and I'm still livid after reading the VA appraisal report for the new construction home I was hoping to purchase, but not feeling confident that much is going to change after the ROV because, well, we're talking about the VA.

So here's the thing. I live in Ocala (Marion County 34476). Back in May I sold my own home (a 4/3 2282SF Brick beauty on a .41 lot) to someone on a VA loan that I was also able to help cover closing costs for them since the VA appraisal came in for higher than my listing price ($298K) and the market in our area was taking off. Because of this I didn't worry too much about when it came time for the VA appraisal on the new home I was trying to buy.

After losing out on several bids I started looking at new construction as there's a ton of it in the area known as "The SR 200 Triangle". This is easily the fastest growing area in Marion County and the housing craze has just accelerated it. My prior home was through Adams and I visited them, as well as DR Horton and new inventory was already booking up and they told me prices in the brochures were going to increase about $30-$40K once those homes were finally listed, and that's what pretty much has happened. My focus was around the 1600-2000SF homes where I could have a fenced in yard for the dog (my last house the lot was too large and the builder didn't clear the back lot and it became too much of a hassle to try to develop it so I let the next owner who wanted the extra land deal with it).

After searching I found a local reputable builder that was building in a newer one street development about 2 miles from my previous home. I signed a contract in May for $280K for a 1725SF 3/2 on .20 lot that had a lot of upgrades/fixtures, I believe I was the first person who got a crack at this new model so no bidding was involved, except I had to provide an earnest deposit. The home was projected to be due sometime around October, so after looking at some short-term rentals near where I work in Gainesville, I decided to ride it out in an extended stay hotel. That worked until football season started, but I managed to make it work for the time being as it still came in slightly cheaper.

Anyways, I got notice a couple weeks ago to submit the VA appraisal fee, which I did, and then yesterday my lender contacted me saying they needed me to provide a hardship letter to include with their additional comps to appeal the appraisal. I was a little surprised this had come in for less as I didn't bid up any prices and was certain from Zillow recent sales, pendings, and current listings, the contract price was more than fair. When I asked my lender what the appraised value came in at, my jaw nearly dropped: $237K. There is no way, I mean NO WAY, that is a accurate assessment of market value in this area. I'll gladly take help/assistance from any realtor who wants to help me find on Zillow a similar new home/new sqf/quality for just $135/sqft. in this area It ain't happening. Even the crappy Ocala Value home builders are charging $155 sqft for inferior work of a similar sized homes. The appraiser only included comps from 12/20 and older. They also listed the pricing trend for the area as "Stable" instead of "Increasing". Um, what?

Unfortunately I don't have an extra $40K to cover that shortfall and will have to walk if the ROV appeal fails. This seems really unfair as I can't fathom how anybody in my area will be able to secure a VA loan in this area if appraisals aren't going to reflect the rapid market changes. In just the past two months, there have been multiple sales of homes at $160-$180 per square foot of similar size, but less quality than the home I'm trying to buy. And I doubt after this ordeal the builder I'm trying to purchase from will want the hassle of dealing with the VA again. I can't even find decent rental homes in the Alachua, Marion, Levy, and Gilchrist areas for less than $2K and that's about the average price for a 2br/2ba rental with a pet in the apartments.

Really livid with this whole process and hoping another appraiser can chime in with why this would happen. Also, what is the success rate of ROV appeals? Looking online it doesn't seem very successful, but this just seems so egregious.
 
new inventory was already booking up and they told me prices in the brochures were going to increase about $30-$40K once those homes were finally listed
Prices are all over the map. Without looking at your comps and seeing what else is going on, it isn't possible to vet whether 10-20% is "off" or "right on" value. Builders are increasing prices far more than materials are increasing in price. That's demand and supply. But the appraiser is saddled with using historic data- be it 1 day or 180 days. In a hot market I would be surprised if newer sales were not available however. So "Cost" is here, now, today. Sales are historical figures. And an income approach (probably not done) is the anticipation of future income.

Find a Realtor or appraiser willing to look up better comparables (forget Zillow) and if they exist, submit them to the VA.
 
I'm doing a VA New Construction RIGHT NOW. Contract price is $65,000 HIGHER than any sales in the builders subdivision for similar homes. Builder supplied 6 good comps all CLOSED within the past 6 months.
I asked "why is the subject I'm working on $65,000 higher than anything you've sold". His answer "the market has been increasing". That was ALL he would say. When I looked at sales in the area for a 1 mile radius from the subject there were 121 sales in the past 12 months. I calculated the increase for the past 5 years and comparared it to the past 12 months. The 12 months was higher then the past 5 year average, that is true. But even the past 12 months WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE to the percentage increase they are trying to charge this veteran. The veteran is adding A LOT of options but I still cannot justify anything near the $62,000 increase over the nearest sale.
They tried to cancel. Since I'd already scheduled the inspection I am entitlied the fee up to the full amount. They said "let's wait a month and see if others will close that are closer in price". (It's got another month to be 100% completed anyways).
So right now....it's on hold.
Moral of the story. They will probably need a cash Buyer and closing to justify anything near what they are charging this veteran.
 
Hi All,
Hoping someone can calm me down as this week as been awful and I'm still livid after reading the VA appraisal report for the new construction home I was hoping to purchase, but not feeling confident that much is going to change after the ROV because, well, we're talking about the VA.
What's wrong with VA or is it the appraiser that you are having a problem with?. If you don't like the results of the VA appraisal what's the problem, go with going conventional or cash. On the other hand, if you really believe the house is worth as much as the builder is telling you just bring the difference in cash to the closing.
 
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Hi All,
Hoping someone can calm me down as this week as been awful and I'm still livid after reading the VA appraisal report for the new construction home I was hoping to purchase, but not feeling confident that much is going to change after the ROV because, well, we're talking about the VA.
We are talking about the VA?...which turns in more quality reports and vettes their panel better than anyone else doing FHA/CONV as well as has the most accommodating process for deals that don't make it. It may not turn out how you like but if everything was just rubber stamped would that make you happy? Don't answer, I'm sure it would. If value isn't there its not there. It has nothing to do with VA, CONV or FHA loan type. Appraisers "try" especially hard on purchases for many reasons. One of them is so we don't have to listen to an unknowledgeable borrower or a realtor who does a handful of deals a year tell us about value..If you actually did get a poor appraisal it reflects only on that appraiser and not on VA loans and is coincidental. IF people aren't whining about a VA loan, its an FHA loan. Its always some excuse. Regardless, good luck.

I just came in 400k low on one, it was CONV, oops....Ill anxiously await the logic of the unhappy borrower, seller and realtor to explain to me what I did "wrong."
 
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I'm doing a VA New Construction RIGHT NOW. Contract price is $65,000 HIGHER than any sales in the builders subdivision for similar homes. Builder supplied 6 good comps all CLOSED within the past 6 months.
I asked "why is the subject I'm working on $65,000 higher than anything you've sold". His answer "the market has been increasing". That was ALL he would say. When I looked at sales in the area for a 1 mile radius from the subject there were 121 sales in the past 12 months. I calculated the increase for the past 5 years and comparared it to the past 12 months. The 12 months was higher then the past 5 year average, that is true. But even the past 12 months WAS NOT EVEN CLOSE to the percentage increase they are trying to charge this veteran. The veteran is adding A LOT of options but I still cannot justify anything near the $62,000 increase over the nearest sale.
They tried to cancel. Since I'd already scheduled the inspection I am entitlied the fee up to the full amount. They said "let's wait a month and see if others will close that are closer in price". (It's got another month to be 100% completed anyways).
So right now....it's on hold.
Moral of the story. They will probably need a cash Buyer and closing to justify anything near what they are charging this veteran.
and if you did push that one through at that level that would become the benchmark. All appraisers next in line to appraise one in there would be given that comp as the most recent. Fast forward a few months and everything sells at that level...its like a river flowing. Honest/good appraisers hold the line as long as they can and then the levee breaks. So much market appreciation occurs based on thin logic and one or two sales getting past the ethical, reasonable appraisers.
 
What's wrong with VA or is it the appraiser that you are having a problem with?. If you don't like the results of the VA appraisal what's the problem, go with going conventional or cash. On the other hand, if you really believe the house is worth as much as the builder is telling you just bring the difference in cash to the closing.
The post said she does not have the additional cash -thats why people use VA and FHA appraisals so stop and read the post before talking non-sense.
 
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