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Help with my appraisal dispute

The lender just said to write an email. That’s what I’m doing. The reason for the post was to ask how to approach there email and whether my concerns spied even be brought up. I’m not an appraiser, I don’t know how you guys work. I’m a builder. I know what it costs to build a house and what they sell for in the areas I build in and I build to suit comps.

Same with this house. I know what other houses in the area sell for and what this house will sell for. I know what it will cost me to remodel the entire thing. It’s easy to see that recently remodeled homes in the area that are comparable sell for a lot more than 1.4 million.
Okay. Lender told you correctly.

You being a builder brings more credibility.

I have a little different avenue but I don't like the appraisal you have in hand.

I didn't read all posts. Have you already bought this house?

If you have already closed this transaction, tell me the terms.
 
Comp 2 seems to have been brought in just to bracket "things" but view and site adjustment seem overdone and IMO that pool kicks the *** of the subject, all day long.
 
A couple of things to keep in mind when reading everyone's response:
- I am not aware of anyone active on this forum who has competent knowledge of your particular market.
- No one has been able to read the entire report, review potential comparables, and form an opinion as to what the appropriate market-based adjustments might be.
- Most importantly, while each of us is willing to provide you with some insight into our thinking, we are only providing you with our personal opinion based on very limited information. None of our opinions is worth any more than what you have paid for them, and some may be worth a good deal less.

All that said, these are a couple of things that jumped out at me:
- Date of Sale Time Adjustment: Comp #1 was adjusted 2.1% over an approximately 18-month period, which represents an approximately 1.4% annual rate of adjustment. However, the other two sales are about 6 months old, with no adjustments. Did the market increase 2.1% in 2024, and then has it been flat for the last 6+ months?
- Location: I have no idea how the adjustment to Comp #2 was arrived at, but I would be sure to ask. In looking at aerial imagery, the Comp #2 neighborhood appears to be fairly similar to the subject's, but then the market should be telling you what the difference is. In looking at an aerial image of Comp #3, it backs up to a major commercial district with several multiple-story buildings being within 400' and their parking lot being within 100' of the back corner of the house. Granted, there is a line of trees separating the house from the parking lot, but the house is partially visible from the parking lot, so my guess would be the parking lot is also partially visible from the house. I would ask for an explanation.
- Site: Each of the adjustments is based on $3.98 per square foot. However, in the cost approach, the subject site has been valued at $2.54 per square foot. Generally, when looking at site size, water frontage, street frontage, etc., the most valuable parcel on a square foot or front foot basis is that which gives you access, the second most valuable is that which is buildable, and the third is that which can be split into multiple parcels. So, valuing the subject site at $2.54 per square foot and then adjusting for somewhat minor differences using $3.98 per square foot needs to be explained. Also, with regards to Comp #2, one needs to be careful not to make a double adjustment when it comes to location and site value, due to all or part of one adjustment being included in the other adjustment.
- View: See location adjustment. Maybe the location is similar, but I am not sure the view (noise) would be considered similar by the market participants. Maybe this contributed to the extended marketing time.
- Condition: The adjustment made to Comp #3 is approximately $18.11 per square foot; this would not be enough to redo a kitchen, update all the bathrooms, or even install contractor-grade floor coverings.
- Gross Living Area: The adjustments in this section are similar and are based on approximately $74.00 per square foot. It would be interesting to see where this number came from, considering it is between 1/4 and 1/3 of the reported per square foot selling prices of the comparables.
- Basement & Finish: Interesting, a $64.00 per square foot adjustment was made to Comp #1 for not having any basement. Then the other two comparbles include basement areas approximately half the size of the subject, with no adjustments. If adjusted the same as Comp #1, Comp #2 would have been adjusted $57,219, and the adjustment to Comp #3 would have been $55,168. The half bathroom adjustment remained constant at $5,137.

In looking at the cost approach, the things that jump out at me based on your comments are:
- All three of the cost numbers used are fairly similar to what I find using Marshall & Swift.
- See my site comments above.
- There is no cost indication for having any finish in the basement area.
- There is no cost information provided for the pool/sauna, or possibly it was included without mention in the porches/patio/fireplace adjustment line.
- The physical depreciation number may or may not be correct, depending on how extensive your renovation work will be, the quality of the improvements, and if any of the major depreciation areas, such as windows, roofs, kitchen, bathrooms, HVAC, etc. are being addressed, or is it more like putting perfume on a pig.

Lastly, when it comes to your question regarding the differences in square footage, I wonder if the appraiser did not include the square footage of the pool area. On the floor plan included, there is a large void with no obvious entry to the left of the living room fireplace, and could this possibly be the difference?

I am not sure the answers to any of these questions or comments will make any difference in your appraisal. I know you mentioned that you were a contractor and doing a lot of the work, basically as sweat equity, but have you ever provided them with your estimate of hours/cost of this sweat equity? What would you charge for this work in an arms-length transaction?

Good luck, and let us know how things work out.
 
Hi everyone. I’m buying a luxury property to remodel and the appraisal just came back a little lower than expected.
House is 8630 sqft according to the county assessor and all listings. It is built on a hill and technically 3 stories and has an indoor pool, hot tub, and full size sauna. It is in a very wealthy neighborhood and school district. The nearby comps with the same sqft, finishing and amenities sold for well over what mine appraised at. The appraiser has a copy of my rehab budget submitted to the bank and the scope of work.

The scope of work does not reflect improvements that will be done out of pocket as I’m a builder as well and have skit of leftover material I can use to make modifications without it needing financed by the bank.

Can I add those details in my dispute?

Here’s a couple of my concerns. The appraisal shows opinion of site value
Dwelling 6353 sqft @ $208
Basement 1694 sqft @ $40.67
Garages 1745 sqft @ $61.57

The “basement” is the lower level that is fully finished with a media room, spare room, bar, fireplace and half bath. It has windows to the outside at normal heights and has a back door that walks out to the back patio/yard.

The garage appraised higher than that living space.

One of the comps they used is from over a year and a half ago.

I’m also only seeing 8004 sqft appraised and no notes about the pool. Why am I missing 630 sqft?

I’ve attached the appraisal, the nearby comps and the listing for the subject property. I’m only looking to add about $150k to the appraisal through my dispute.

Thank you all so much in advance. I’m trying to get this email sent back tonight so the appraiser can get started ASAP.

So, my question would be what caused the Value to rise $370k(+/-) from 2022? Some improvements already made? (OR was that just what the Seller thought it should be worth?)

I cannot comment on the appraisal, that you would need to talk with the appraisers Client. Also, did not see an opinion of site value in your description
Interesting dwelling and site work so far. All the best on your adventure
 
The lender just said to write an email. That’s what I’m doing. The reason for the post was to ask how to approach there email and whether my concerns spied even be brought up. I’m not an appraiser, I don’t know how you guys work. I’m a builder. I know what it costs to build a house and what they sell for in the areas I build in and I build to suit comps.

Same with this house. I know what other houses in the area sell for and what this house will sell for. I know what it will cost me to remodel the entire thing. It’s easy to see that recently remodeled homes in the area that are comparable sell for a lot more than 1.4 million.


Tell the lender this in the email, asking a bunch of appraisers on here from different parts of the country probably isn't going to do much good in my opinion.
 
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Okay. Lender told you correctly.

You being a builder brings more credibility.

I have a little different avenue but I don't like the appraisal you have in hand.

I didn't read all posts. Have you already bought this house?

If you have already closed this transaction, tell me the terms.
Have not purchased yet. What don’t you like about the appraisal? Thank you for your input
 
A couple of things to keep in mind when reading everyone's response:
- I am not aware of anyone active on this forum who has competent knowledge of your particular market.
- No one has been able to read the entire report, review potential comparables, and form an opinion as to what the appropriate market-based adjustments might be.
- Most importantly, while each of us is willing to provide you with some insight into our thinking, we are only providing you with our personal opinion based on very limited information. None of our opinions is worth any more than what you have paid for them, and some may be worth a good deal less.

All that said, these are a couple of things that jumped out at me:
- Date of Sale Time Adjustment: Comp #1 was adjusted 2.1% over an approximately 18-month period, which represents an approximately 1.4% annual rate of adjustment. However, the other two sales are about 6 months old, with no adjustments. Did the market increase 2.1% in 2024, and then has it been flat for the last 6+ months?
- Location: I have no idea how the adjustment to Comp #2 was arrived at, but I would be sure to ask. In looking at aerial imagery, the Comp #2 neighborhood appears to be fairly similar to the subject's, but then the market should be telling you what the difference is. In looking at an aerial image of Comp #3, it backs up to a major commercial district with several multiple-story buildings being within 400' and their parking lot being within 100' of the back corner of the house. Granted, there is a line of trees separating the house from the parking lot, but the house is partially visible from the parking lot, so my guess would be the parking lot is also partially visible from the house. I would ask for an explanation.
- Site: Each of the adjustments is based on $3.98 per square foot. However, in the cost approach, the subject site has been valued at $2.54 per square foot. Generally, when looking at site size, water frontage, street frontage, etc., the most valuable parcel on a square foot or front foot basis is that which gives you access, the second most valuable is that which is buildable, and the third is that which can be split into multiple parcels. So, valuing the subject site at $2.54 per square foot and then adjusting for somewhat minor differences using $3.98 per square foot needs to be explained. Also, with regards to Comp #2, one needs to be careful not to make a double adjustment when it comes to location and site value, due to all or part of one adjustment being included in the other adjustment.
- View: See location adjustment. Maybe the location is similar, but I am not sure the view (noise) would be considered similar by the market participants. Maybe this contributed to the extended marketing time.
- Condition: The adjustment made to Comp #3 is approximately $18.11 per square foot; this would not be enough to redo a kitchen, update all the bathrooms, or even install contractor-grade floor coverings.
- Gross Living Area: The adjustments in this section are similar and are based on approximately $74.00 per square foot. It would be interesting to see where this number came from, considering it is between 1/4 and 1/3 of the reported per square foot selling prices of the comparables.
- Basement & Finish: Interesting, a $64.00 per square foot adjustment was made to Comp #1 for not having any basement. Then the other two comparbles include basement areas approximately half the size of the subject, with no adjustments. If adjusted the same as Comp #1, Comp #2 would have been adjusted $57,219, and the adjustment to Comp #3 would have been $55,168. The half bathroom adjustment remained constant at $5,137.

In looking at the cost approach, the things that jump out at me based on your comments are:
- All three of the cost numbers used are fairly similar to what I find using Marshall & Swift.
- See my site comments above.
- There is no cost indication for having any finish in the basement area.
- There is no cost information provided for the pool/sauna, or possibly it was included without mention in the porches/patio/fireplace adjustment line.
- The physical depreciation number may or may not be correct, depending on how extensive your renovation work will be, the quality of the improvements, and if any of the major depreciation areas, such as windows, roofs, kitchen, bathrooms, HVAC, etc. are being addressed, or is it more like putting perfume on a pig.

Lastly, when it comes to your question regarding the differences in square footage, I wonder if the appraiser did not include the square footage of the pool area. On the floor plan included, there is a large void with no obvious entry to the left of the living room fireplace, and could this possibly be the difference?

I am not sure the answers to any of these questions or comments will make any difference in your appraisal. I know you mentioned that you were a contractor and doing a lot of the work, basically as sweat equity, but have you ever provided them with your estimate of hours/cost of this sweat equity? What would you charge for this work in an arms-length transaction?

Good luck, and let us know how things work out.
Many many thanks for your reply. The more I read from you all the more I learn about appraisals and the thought process involved.

I have not provided them with my estimated cost had I hired a contractor to perform the work but I can provide additional work to be done that is outside the scope of work submitted to the bank which the appraiser went off of.
 
Tell the lender this in the email, asking a bunch of appraisers on here from different parts of the country probably isn't going to do much good in my opinion.
You probably do know... however, the appraiser has to base his opinions and conclusions on the analysis of data. If you have data that supports a higher value, provide it.
 
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Have not purchased yet. What don’t you like about the appraisal? Thank you for your input
I don't like you not going back through lender on your concerns. I think you have legitimate concerns and should address with the lender. The lender is the client of the appraiser. Are you with me?

The lender is your best source for help. If I were the appraiser, you could call me directly and address your concerns. Okay?

I am trying my best to lead you in right direction.
 
Tell the lender this in the email, asking a bunch of appraisers on here from different parts of the country probably isn't going to do much good in my opinion.
Yes :). You are spot on.

The lender is by far their best source for help at this point in time.
 
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