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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Randolph,

Your quote,

"I have a problem with your characterization of the residential home prices. Either there is a problem with declining values across the nation or there is no problem because you have some markets that have not declined in value to the degree other markets have."

I guess you must since there is NO contradiction at all.

NAR produced 3 sets of data.

1. National median is off year over year between 3-4% as of end January

2. The regions show declines but to varying degrees- they, when totalled up translate into the national data above. This and above qare in the same spreadsheet.

3. NAR also issued an article and a chart that analyzed 140+/- individual metro markets. Within those about half were up and half were down with a few staying about stable- as I alreeady said.

So, to say that some markets "have not declined" while others have declined is just continuing your less-than-specific posture when, in fact, others have declined while some (appx and equal number) have increased.

Sure, if the market is increasing it is, of course, not declining.

Once again we end up in semantics and that is truly silly.

Brad
 
Mortgage-Market Shakeout

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=agBlUfdwU9l8&refer=exclusive

Muhlenkamp's mutual fund dropped 4.8 percent since the start of the year, the worst performance of 90 competing funds tracked by Bloomberg that buy shares of companies perceived as being undervalued. The manager counts Countrywide Financial Corp., the biggest U.S. mortgage lender, among his 10 largest holdings.


Rising mortgage rates and falling home prices caused the proportion of subprime loans that were either delinquent or in foreclosure to reach 10 percent in December, up from about 5 percent in May 2005, according to Friedman Billings Ramsey Group Inc. of Arlington, Virginia. Countrywide, which focuses on the safer, so-called prime part of the market, said March 1 that payments were late on almost 20 percent of the subprime loans it manages for clients.

While the company doesn't own a large portion of subprime loans, it's the biggest subprime mortgage servicer in the U.S., with a 9.7 percent share, according to industry newsletter Inside B&C Lending.
 
Housing Rebound Elusive as Abandoned Deposits Mount

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aMX_.vynY48g&refer=exclusive

A year after the housing slump began, the spring selling season is off to a rocky start with a glut of unsold properties and buyers like the Binghams putting off purchases, thwarting any chance of a recovery. The National Association of Home Builders in Washington now expects sales to fall for the sixth consecutive quarter after last month predicting a gain. The biggest stock market rout in four years last week, a jump in subprime mortgage failures and concerns about a possible recession are keeping consumers on edge.


Miami-based Lennar Corp., the biggest U.S. builder by revenue, expects new home deliveries to tumble 20 percent this year. Hovnanian Enterprises Inc. of Red Bank, New Jersey, the industry's sixth-largest company, reported a fiscal first-quarter loss after the number of contracts signed slid 23 percent.

"I'd say about 70 percent of the homes aren't priced competitively to sell at this time,'' Bingham said. "I don't want to be the guy who pays too much and then watches the value of my real estate fall through the floor.''

As 2007 began, the housing rebound proved elusive. U.S. new- home sales fell in January by the most in 13 years, the Commerce Department said last week. The annualized rate dropped to 937,000, lower than any economist had forecast in a Bloomberg survey and down from the 1.12 million pace in December.


In the current quarter, the median probably will fall 4.5 percent from a year earlier to $233,700, he said. The second quarter's median may decline 4.7 percent, followed by a 2 percent drop in the third quarter, he said.
 
Top-Rated Subprime Mortgage Bond Premiums Reach 14-Month High

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601009&sid=aDeId1tH0AFk&refer=bond

Rising defaults on loans to people with poor credit and losses at companies that make the mortgages have investors concerned that the performance of mortgage bonds will suffer. The change in spreads last week was the biggest since November 2005, when they narrowed, said Peter DiMartino, an RBS debt strategist.


The concerns about subprime loan delinquencies that have cut into investors' interest in lower-rated bonds backed by the mortgages are "slowly catching on'' among higher-rated ones, analysts led by Rod Dubitsky at Credit Suisse Group wrote in a report today. Among lower-rated bonds, a widening of spreads that accelerated last month began in October and November.

About $483 billion in subprime mortgage bonds were created last year, according to newsletter Inside MBS & ABS. About $1.2 trillion are outstanding, according to Lehman Brothers.

That is "leaving a huge overhang'' of securities rated AA and A to be absorbed by investors, UBS AG analysts said in a report two days ago.
Yields spreads on bonds rated AA widened 25 basis points last week to 100 basis points, the highest in more than a year, according to RBS Greenwich. Spreads on BBB- rated bonds rose 275 basis points to 550 basis points, up from about 200 basis points in September, the firm said.
 
Fed Chairman was warned of the intensity of foreclosures

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=ay7a6cGR11RM&refer=economy

The Fed chairman and other Fed policy makers were warned to day in a meeting that the foreclosures are going to get worse in coming months. This waning came from banks and consumer advocates warning the Fed of the consequence of mortgage defaults. Is this going to give the Fed a reason to cut the rate down to 1% again ? Who knows but what else can the Fed do? This is going to be devastating for the economy.

The Federal Reserve Board's Consumer Advisory Council, including consumer advocates and banks, met today in Washington, with Bernanke and Fed Governors Susan Bies, Randall Kroszner and Frederic Mishkin in attendance. Home-mortgage foreclosures were the first agenda item and the officials heard anecdotes of default and families at risk.
``We have found neighborhoods with abandoned homes, 200 at a shot,'' said Louise Gissendaner, senior vice president and director of community development in Cleveland at Fifth Third Bancorp, the 10th-biggest U.S. bank by assets. She said abandoned housing has ``devastated our city to a great degree
Fed officials heard stories from Cleveland, Philadelphia, Denver and New York, where neighborhoods are deteriorating as borrowers struggle to pay loans or abandon their homes in foreclosure, a process where lenders take possession of property.
Bernanke and the other governors didn't comment on interest rates, the economy or the direction of regulatory policy. They listened to comments from advocates and bankers, who indicated that foreclosures are likely to increase further.
``We feel like a canary in a coal mine,'' said Stella Adams, executive director of the North Carolina Fair Housing Center in Durham. ``It is sad for us to know that there are 1.2 million families at risk from foreclosure.''
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=ay7a6cGR11RM&refer=economy

The Fed chairman and other Fed policy makers were warned to day in a meeting that the foreclosures are going to get worse in coming months. This waning came from banks and consumer advocates warning the Fed of the consequence of mortgage defaults. Is this going to give the Fed a reason to cut the rate down to 1% again ? Who knows but what else can the Fed do? This is going to be devastating for the economy.
Not to worry Moh, Brad does not believe there is a problem with declining home prices or defaults. But I just love this particular paragraph in the article:
"We have found neighborhoods with abandoned homes, 200 at a shot,'' said Louise Gissendaner, senior vice president and director of community development in Cleveland at Fifth Third Bancorp, the 10th-biggest U.S. bank by assets. She said abandoned housing has "devastated our city to a great degree.''

Fed officials heard stories from Cleveland, Philadelphia, Denver and New York, where neighborhoods are deteriorating as borrowers struggle to pay loans or abandon their homes in foreclosure, a process where lenders take possession of property.
 
We as appraisers and real estate professionals are expected to be knowledgeable about the real estate market and have a sense of reality about it. We are also expected to be honest and truthful when we offer an opinion even if it is against our personal interest. I am not talking about our opinion in appraisal reports, I am talking bout our general opinion on this forum that has nothing to do with our appraisal opinion but as a professional I still believe we should be honest and truthful.
From the beginning of this thread about a year ago, I and several other forum members were firmly believed that the cheap lending ,currently is dubbed as sub-prime lending, created artificial and unqualified buyers and those artificial buyers created an artificial demands for houses and condos in most areas and those artificial demands created an artificial market called housing bubble and since that market was artificial with no firm foundation, it was doomed to burst or collapse.
There were some posters who firmly believed and still have the same idea that there were no artificial demand, and therefore no artificial market and no housing bubble and there would be no housing burst or decline. They used to argue that the demand for housing was real and was due to high income growth, high employments, immigration increase, population increase, baby boomers need for housing and lack of or limited vacant lands.. Now after a year , it has been proven that the demand and thirst for those housing were indeed artificial and had no economic foundation. With just a little halt on the source of that artificial demand which was the cheap lending, a hole appeared on the housing market and is gradually deflating.
My question for those posters who believed the demand and appetite for housing in those booming days was real is to tell us what happened to those demands. Why those who had demand for housing are begging others to take back their beloved houses and no one seems to have that kind of demand and thirst for those homes anymore? Needless to say that the normal demand for housing is still there and is going to be there as long as people are there but that is not what we were witnessing in last few years.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aC9LdDcv4.Wc&refer=home
March 9 (Bloomberg) -- Rising mortgage defaults by sub prime borrowers may add more than 500,000 homes to a residential real estate market already beset by slumping prices, according to CreditSights Inc.
In January, 4.09 million new and existing homes were offered for sale, down from 4.43 million in July 2006, the National Association of Realtors and the U.S. Commerce Department said. New homes accounted for 536,000 of the January total, down from a record 573,000 in July.
A five-year housing boom that ended a year ago was fueled in part by the growth of mortgage products marketed to borrowers with poor credit histories. Now, as defaults on subprime loans surge to a seven-year high, more than 20 lenders have closed or sought buyers since the start of 2006. The survivors are raising their lending standards.
``We estimate that the effect of looser lending standards could translate into another 533,000 homes coming onto the market as borrowers default -- an unwelcome phenomenon given the existing supply surplus,'' Sarah Rowin and Frank Lee of bond research firm CreditSights wrote in a March 1 report.
The glut of homes on the market has led potential buyers to hold off purchases on expectations that prices will fall. Tighter lending standards may also hurt the housing recovery as people who could previously qualify for a mortgage can't get one now.
Not only do we have a lot of supply in the new home market, the existing homes are sitting much longer on the market
Probably the gain in home ownership over the last four, five years, is almost entirely due to looser lending standards,'' said James Fielding, a homebuilding credit analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York.
 
That is why, with this forum, nobody can't say that we did not warn them.
 
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