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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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When I am contacted by any number of mortgage brokers shopping for an appraisal, more often than not, I am asked to do a "Comp Check" before actually performing the appraisal. What this amounts to is a "Pre-determination" of the value of the subject property. Not only do I not provide this "Service" but it is illegal for me to do so. Evidently, this doesn't stop other appraisers from doing so because I am told all of the time that others do it. What these mortgage "Professionals" are doing is dialing for dollars. And they keep dialing until they find an appraiser that will play ball.

That's it in a nutshell! And, not just a problem with sub-prime, but with the entire residential lending market. I once heard someone on the Forum put it "lie now and hope inflation covers it." But, what if inflation doesn't? So long as debtors are willing to continue to pay off the debt even if the house is not worth that much, it might not matter. But, there is mounting evidence that is not the case. And, of course, there is always that pesky problem of what if you have to move or sell the house for some mandatory reason... what then? Well, selling it to the bank might look pretty good to a lot of people.
 
Substantial losses jolting the real estate industry and investment industry. Congressional hearings occurring on the mortgage industry, will probably result in more regulations on appraisers. Some type of federation of appraisal federation is needed. My 2 cents. Jerry Dell
 
Crisis Looms in Mortgages

Here is some news analysis about the mortgage market
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/business/11mortgage.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
The analyst’s untimely call, coupled with a failure among other Wall Street institutions to identify problems in the home mortgage market, isn’t the only familiar ring to investors who watched the technology stock bubble burst precisely seven years ago.
Now, as then, Wall Street firms and entrepreneurs made fortunes issuing questionable securities, in this case pools of home loans taken out by risky borrowers. Now, as then, bullish stock and credit analysts for some of those same Wall Street firms, which profited in the underwriting and rating of those investments, lulled investors with upbeat pronouncements even as loan defaults ballooned. Now, as then, regulators stood by as the mania churned, fed by lax standards and anything-goes lending.
Investment manias are nothing new, of course. But the demise of this one has been broadly viewed as troubling, as it involves the nation’s $6.5 trillion mortgage securities market, which is larger even than the United States treasury market.
Hanging in the balance is the nation’s housing market, which has been a big driver of the economy. Fewer lenders means many potential homebuyers will find it more difficult to get credit, while hundreds of thousands of homes will go up for sale as borrowers default, further swamping a stalled market.
“The regulators are trying to figure out how to work around it, but the Hill is going to be in for one big surprise,” said Josh Rosner, a managing director at Graham-Fisher & Company, an independent investment research firm in New York, and an expert on mortgage securities. “This is far more dramatic than what led to Sarbanes-Oxley,” he added, referring to the legislation that followed the WorldCom and Enron scandals, “both in conflicts and in terms of absolute economic impact.”
While real estate prices were rising, the market for home loans operated like a well-oiled machine, providing ready money to borrowers and high returns to investors like pension funds, insurance companies, hedge funds and other institutions. Now this enormous and important machine is sputtering, and the effects are reverberating throughout Main Street, Wall Street and Washington.
 
You will surely see some investment firms coughing up big bucks to investors over investment deals which were puffed up and sold them. They never thought they could lose and never thought the housing market would tank....like the S & L Crisis never happened....
Any investment guy who was 18 or older in 1985 knows and if they don't they should be put to sleep for stupidity. The rest are crooks. The young ones are crooks without an institutional memory. frankly I don't even feel sorry for the dumb bunnies who invested in this tripe. As P. T. Barnum said, "Its a sin to not separate a fool from his money."
 
The analyst’s untimely call, coupled with a failure among other Wall Street institutions to identify problems in the home mortgage market, isn’t the only familiar ring to investors who watched the technology stock bubble burst precisely seven years ago.

There is one really big difference. If you walk away from a bad mortgage it doesn't expire worthless... the underlying property still has some value. I wouldn't be surprised if a few good investors (Mike & Mike, maybe) don't really clean up in the aftermath of this bubble burst.

Or, as one pundit once said, "you can't live in a tech stock."

Personally, I think that this is a more significant quote from the article:

Now this enormous and important machine is sputtering, and the effects are reverberating throughout Main Street, Wall Street and Washington.

The big question is whether the housing market will affect the larger economy. Meanwhile, unemployment was lower last month... and some analysts saw that as a negative (because job growth was not as rapid as expected). How could unemployment be lower with jobs hemmoraging out of housing, you ask? Because the health and hospitality industries sopped up a lot of the surplus workers.
 
Steve,
They are not comparing the tech stocks with homes as you think they are. They are comparing tech stocks with sub prime stocks. Yes you cannot live in tech stock but you cannot live in lenders stock either. Stocks are paper assets no matter if they are tech stock or mortgage company stock
New century stock was $35 per share. In two weeks, it came down to $3 per share. Isn't it exactly similar to tech stocks crash?
They say their financial scandal is even worse than Enron and WorldCom. If they are worse than Enron and WorldCom, what do you think they would do to the economy?
 
Let's give it some perspective: I read where there are more than 1,400,000 RE agents in the USA. California has 500,000 licensee's according to the Calif. Dept of Real Estate a few months ago. That's roughly 35% of the total licensee's are in California. By contrast, there are some 16,000 appraisers in California.

In places like Palm Springs, the construction business represents 35% of employment. I don't know what percentage is represented by the real estate business but I would guess an equal amount judging by the number of ads in the local newspaper. I mean everyone is a broker! The front page often has a broker ad. Practically everyone you talk to is an agent. It's really sad. I saw a van that was a traveling billboard for an appraisal business. At the grocery store, those little separators you put between you and the next guy were ads for a local appraiser. An appraiser! What's with that? New construction has gone into the tank. Guess what is happening to that 35% construction employment. Gee, guess what is happening to Lowes and Home Depot?

I wonder what so called "Full employment" actually is? We know we have 300,000,000 people in this country. How many are employed? I think the government is cooking the books. Always has been. How can you have low inflation with housing going up over 300% over the past 8-10 years in California? My health costs are soaring and there is no end in sight. These two items are my largest monthly expenses and going up, up, and up. Why are these two items not in the figures? What do I care what a bottle of milk cost? They already extract fuel from the equation. What are we left with? Core inflation....what a bunch of BS.

I need to get out of this business. It is so depressing. I don't like mortgage brokers or loan hacks. I don't like RE agents. I don't know any investment bankers but chances are I wouldn't like them as well. Everybody is going to get so desperate like last time. I hate this.
 
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/minorities-paying-more-home-loans/story.aspx?guid=%7BE0A6F388%2DEDC7%2D4C65%2DA45A%2DD4A2F0A127F1%7D

You can bet that the government is going to really react negatively over the data of borrower's race and high interest rates, bad loans.
Not if they have any sense. If the study only considered race, and is therefore hopelessly biased. If one wants to look for racial bias one must make sure other factors are eliminated. If the study revealed non-whites with equal income and credit history pay higher interest rates, that would be news.
 
http://www.floridatoday.com/apps/pb...311/BUSINESS/703110332/1003&template=printart

March 11, 2007

Foreclosure!

5,600 Brevard residents are on the brink of losing their homes

A wave of home mortgage foreclosures is sweeping across Brevard County -- signaling a disastrous end to the local housing boom for those who could lose their homes.

More than 200 local mortgages have been foreclosed on in each of the last four months, and thousands more are in danger of being foreclosed, records show.

Many of the cases stem from homebuyers -- both residents and investors -- getting sucked into risky loans, with limited options to refinance or sell because of the recent decline in local property values.

Other buyers simply were overeager to get into the market when property values were surging, and underestimated the costs involved, a situation worsened by increases in homeowners' insurance premiums and property taxes since then, experts say.
The other factor is that, in recent years, housing prices have soared in Florida overall, Srein said, "and the salaries have not."
Just the beginning here ....
 
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