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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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If there are 2 million foreclosures, it's not as if there won't be winners as well as losers. Someone gets to market the properties, someone gets to buy the property, perhaps at low $$. Besides, the homes are still there with lots of potential utility.

It would be much harder on the economy if a big tsunami came ashore and made 2 million homes uninhabitable.

Yes, Steve, I agree. Quite a bit of this potential fast bubble deflating speculation and stock market volatility is based upon attitude, not fundamental analysis.
 
Irrational fear can bring a market to its knees the same way real weaknesses can
the correct phrase is: Irrational fear can bring a market to its knees the same way the irrational exceburance brought the market to over its head. What comes around, goes around.
 
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Foreclosures May Hit 1.5 Million in U.S. Housing Bust

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aoxvdkPVfUNo&refer=exclusive

March 12 (Bloomberg) -- Hold on to your assets. The deepest housing decline in 16 years is about to get worse.


As many as 1.5 million more Americans may lose their homes, another 100,000 people in housing-related industries could be fired, and an estimated 100 additional subprime mortgage companies that lend money to people with bad or limited credit may go under, according to realtors, economists, analysts and a Federal Reserve governor. Financial stocks also could extend their declines over mortgage default worries.

If this slump follows the same pattern as the last one, in 1991, it will persist for at least another year and may fuel a recession. New-home sales declined 45 percent from July 1989 to January 1991 and about 1 percent of all U.S. jobs, or 1.1 million, were lost in that recession, said Robert Kleinhenz, deputy chief economist of the California Association of Realtors.

The subprime crisis "has taken the fuel out of the real estate market,'' said Edward Leamer, director of the UCLA Anderson Forecast in Los Angeles. "The market needs new money in order to appreciate, and all of that money is gone for a very long time. The regulators are not going to allow it to happen again.''

Subprime loans contributed to a home-ownership rate that reached a record 69.3 percent of U.S. households in the second quarter of 2004, up 5.4 percentage points from the same period in 1991, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.

"Probably the gain in home ownership over the last four, five years, is almost entirely due to looser lending standards,'' said James Fielding, a homebuilding credit analyst at Standard & Poor's in New York.
 
HSBC, Undaunted by U.S. Loss, Seeks Mexican Subprime

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601102&sid=aevvM3fgya4g&refer=uk

March 13 (Bloomberg) -- HSBC Holdings Plc, Europe's biggest bank by market value, still plans to increase lending to high- risk borrowers in Latin America after bad subprime loans cut its second-half profit in North America by 87 percent.


Sandy Flockhart, HSBC'S president for Latin America, said the London-based company will offer credit cards and other loans to even more individuals with no borrowing history as part of a plan to produce a greater share of its revenue in the region. Mexico is home to the bank's biggest operation in Latin America.

HSBC Chairman Stephen Green fired his top managers in the U.S. earlier this month and curtailed some subprime lending after bad loans surged 51 percent in North America in the second half of 2006. The U.S. Mortgage Bankers Association said today that late payments on subprime loans rose to the highest in four years during the fourth quarter.
 
H&R Block Delays Filing, Sees $29 Million Added Loss on Subprime Lending

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601206&sid=al5L049IT4_Y&refer=realestate

March 13 (Bloomberg) -- H&R Block Inc. will post $29 million more in pretax losses from subprime mortgages than first reported last month, and its third-quarter regulatory filings will be delayed. The shares plunged 11 percent in after-hours trading.


H&R Block, the nation's biggest tax-preparation company, said Feb. 22 that it had a net loss of $44.7 million in the quarter ended Jan. 31. Since then, the Kansas City, Missouri- based company has reviewed its Option One mortgage unit because of "declines in the value of mortgage loans, including the value of non-performing loans,'' according to a federal filing today.

The company put Option One up for sale in November, and Chief Executive Officer Mark Ernst reaffirmed last month that he still expected to get bids of $1.3 billion or more. Some analysts, including UBS AG's Kelly Flynn, have said Option One may sell for as little as $600 million, or not at all, after worse-than-expected delinquencies and a drop in demand for mortgages.


The announcement about the delayed filing was made after the end of regular trading. H&R Block shares declined $2.25 to $17.80 at 7:59 p.m. New York Time, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.
 
Sandy Flockhart, HSBC'S president for Latin America, said the London-based company will offer credit cards and other loans to even more individuals with no borrowing history as part of a plan to produce a greater share of its revenue in the region. Mexico is home to the bank's biggest operation in Latin America.

Making loans to borrowers with weak credit was such a good idea, why not take it a step further and make loans to borrowers with no credit?

as part of a plan to produce a greater share of its revenue in the region.

They better double-check the flow chart to see which way that revenue stream is headed.

What's that saying about mad dogs and Englishmen?
 
Subprime shakeout could hurt CDOs

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/subprime-mortgage-shakeout-cdos-may/story.aspx?guid=%7B620D90CA%2D3A9E%2D4A21%2D9591%2DE772D59E5CF3%7D

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- After a mortgage is sold, it's usually packaged up with other home loans into a mortgage-backed security, or MBS.


But who buys the riskier parts of these derivatives -- the bits backed by subprime mortgages offered to poorer borrowers with lower credit scores? The answer may be collateralized debt obligations, or CDOs.

They could now do the reverse, according to a recent study by Joseph Mason, an associate finance professor at Drexel University's business school, and Joshua Rosner, a managing director at research firm Graham Fisher & Co.


By exiting in search of more attractive assets, CDOs could limit the supply of money to the mortgage market, making home loans more expensive and reducing the availability of subprime loans, Mason said in an interview this week.


"We started out a few months ago trying to find out who is investing in the riskiest portions of these MBSs," Mason said. "We found the answer to the big question: the CDO sector."


"CDOs are providing the primary liquidity at this level, but they're hot money that will jump in and out of sectors," he added.

CDOs have become an important part of the mortgage market because they buy the riskier parts of MBS that others don't want. The higher-rated portions, or tranches, of MBS are sold to pension funds and insurers. But if the riskier tranches aren't sold too, the whole deal is off, Mason explained.

"You may remember the phrase 'banking system,'" Grant wrote on March 9. "Today, in residential mortgage finance, there is a CDO system."

Stagnant home prices and rising delinquencies on subprime mortgages have sparked concern that some riskier MBS tranches could suffer losses. That, in turn, could hit CDOs.


"Even investment grade rated CDOs will experience significant losses if home prices depreciate," Mason and Rosner said in their study.


If CDOs take some of the hit, they could exit the residential mortgage market, Mason warned.


Something similar happened several years ago. During the late 1990s, CDOs invested a lot in asset-backed securities backed by manufactured housing loans and aircraft leases. After suffering losses, CDOs got out of those sectors, Mason said.


Even today, the manufactured housing and aircraft leasing industries still feel the effects of that shakeout when trying to borrow money via the asset-backed securities market, Mason said.

The implications of CDOs withdrawing from the residential MBS market could be far-reaching, Mason said.


"If they lose their appetite, that would mean lower tranches of residential MBS can't be placed and upper tranches won't be sold either," Mason warned. "Mortgage lenders may then find it harder to sell on the loans they originated."


That, in turn, could lift interest rates, even for home buyers with good credit scores, and cut the availability of home loans for subprime borrowers, he explained.


"These markets are all intertwined and if we care we need to monitor this," Mason concluded. "This all comes back to mortgage borrowers and whether they'll be able to get loans."
 
If there are 2 million foreclosures, it's not as if there won't be winners as well as losers. Someone gets to market the properties, someone gets to buy the property, perhaps at low $$. Besides, the homes are still there with lots of potential utility.

It would be much harder on the economy if a big tsunami came ashore and made 2 million homes uninhabitable.

Yes, Steve, I agree. Quite a bit of this potential fast bubble deflating speculation and stock market volatility is based upon attitude, not fundamental analysis.

Ah, the joy of a guns and butter strategy weghted with rental apartments.:new_smile-l:
 
It would be much harder on the economy if a big tsunami came ashore and made 2 million homes uninhabitable.
If that were in selected markets throughout the nation, that might bring the real supply and demand back into balance...
 
If that were in selected markets throughout the nation, that might bring the real supply and demand back into balance...

That may have been the preferred method in the days of Noah. However, burning a certain percentage of homes to align supply and demand more favorably to one's point of view makes about as much sense as burning one's extra money for the month after covering bills.
 
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