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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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I think the worrisome part of the graph, Randolph, is that it shows the growth is in the number of actual foreclosures. The numbers just in the delinquency stage look fairly constant (meaning the growth in actual foreclosures will probably continue.)
Yes, I agree with you. However, to make it into foreclosure, you had to go through the various stages of delinquency. I would therefore postulate that delinquencies are rising faster than foreclosures since most delinquencies are cured.
 
Recessions are not only hard to predict, they're also sometimes hard to identify until after-the-fact. For example, as Dan Gross describes in this NYT piece, back 2000, very few economists saw any trouble on the economic horizon. Many economists, in fact, kept pooh-poohing the idea of a recession until the government figured out (through data revisions) that we were already in one.

These days, few economists are expecting a recession. The sub-prime woes, the bull theory goes, are limited to a tiny segment of the mortgage market, the housing recession won't spill over into the rest of the economy, the ever-optimistic consumer is charging right along...etc. The stock market, of course, is telling a different story. The market doesn't always get it right, but it probably gets it right more often than economists (which isn't a knock against economists: If predicting the future were easy, everyone would do it).

In any case, given what happened last time (optimistic economists and investors + tanking market + deteriorating fundamentals), perhaps we should stop asking whether we are going to have a recession and start wondering whether we are already in one.
 
Delinquencies are cured in an appreciating market.In a declining market the
forclosures increase to point of dragging the economy into a recession.Get ready...
 
Decreasing percentage cured.

Yes, I agree with you. However, to make it into foreclosure, you had to go through the various stages of delinquency. I would therefore postulate that delinquencies are rising faster than foreclosures since most delinquencies are cured.
What the graph demonstrates is the percentage of delinquencies being cured is falling. That is why the number of actual foreclosures is rising. If the percentage of delinquencies not cured continues to grow, things may be even worse than they appear. :sad:
 
What the graph demonstrates is the percentage of delinquencies being cured is falling. That is why the number of actual foreclosures is rising. If the percentage of delinquencies not cured continues to grow, things may be even worse than they appear. :sad:

At the risk of sounding like a broken record: pay attention to prepay speeds. There is an inverse relationship between speed of prepayment and default rates. Think refinancing rates of unfavorable loans by less creditworthy borrowers in an era of tightening credit policies.
 
It is interesting to see how the crack in housing and financial market is unfolding and played by policy makers and politicians. It is obvious that it has an adverse effect on the economy and if things get worse, there is going to be a possible recession in coming months. Policy markers are aware and alert of the problem and are in full force to either stop the bleeding or contain it but it may not work because the crack is just too big to control. The Fed may cut the over night rate and bail out defaulted homeowners and borrowers from foreclosures. They are talking about helping sub prime borrowers from foreclosures by the name of preventing them from poverty. I don’t think this is going to stop or contain the problem because it is like adding air to a balloon with a big hole on it. The balloon is destined to contract because it has a big hole on it. By adding air to it, you cannot stop the contraction. You just keep its as is condition going by constant adding air to it. . The only way to stop it is to repair it.
 
Fears over subprime lending extend around the globe

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/international-stock-markets-rocked-wall/story.aspx?guid=%7B1E18C694%2D4ACC%2D4C5F%2DBF4C%2DD57E0EEE83BB%7D


NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - Stock markets around the world tumbled Wednesday as investors moved to reduce risk, spooked by the sharp sell-off on Wall Street amid mounting fears over rising mortgage defaults.


"We are seeing a domino effect; the consolidation looks like it might continue for a while until the problems in the U.S. are resolved," said Alex Tang, head of research at Core Pacific-Yamaichi in Hong Kong.
 
What the graph demonstrates is the percentage of delinquencies being cured is falling. That is why the number of actual foreclosures is rising. If the percentage of delinquencies not cured continues to grow, things may be even worse than they appear. :sad:
What you don't see is how some delinquencies are "cured"; it is called a short sale. Others are cured by actually having the borrower make good on their arrears.

My point is this: foreclosures can't rise at a rate faster than delinquencies. If that is not true, that must mean more delinquencies are not cured and feed directly into foreclosures, which I believe is your point.
 
Yep, we are on the same page now. I fully understand some are cured. The only color band getting bigger in the graph is the actual foreclosures, that means a larger number of the delinquencies are not being cured. (Which is what you would expect in a declining market and loans with 100% LTV at origination. When someone is upside down on the mortgage, cure of the default is much less likely.)
 
Senator Dodd: Subprime borrowers need more protection

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dodd-says-more-action-may/story.aspx?guid=%7BEECEBB11%2DB706%2D4A22%2DAE7D%2D81D6E0E9BF12%7D

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Congress will probably have to take "some more steps" to address the subprime loan industry, Senate Banking Committee Chairman Christopher Dodd, D-Conn., said Wednesday, as worries about the risky loans continued to roil Wall Street.


On Tuesday, Dodd, who is seeking his party's nomination for the White House, said in a statement that he's mulling legislation and other options that would protect consumers from abusive lending practices and allow them to keep their homes.
 
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