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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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It' going to be just a Depression , not a great depression , let's not over-react..
P.S Novastar is belly up as of today.Who's next FNMA???? :fiddle:

I say it's a race between Countrywide and Indy as to who can get to $1.50/share 1st.
IMB's the lightweight, and has got the advantage here, they're already in the $10's !
But CFC is huge and is building massive inertia on it's way down, they're in the $12's -- only $2 higher.

What a race folks, what a race!

~~~ Does the Law of Gravity apply here?

~~~ Does one of these firms have a magnetic attraction to the number $ZERO?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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Greenspan `Mess' Risks U.S. Recession, Stiglitz Says
Joseph Stiglitz, a Nobel-prize winning economist, said the U.S. economy risks tumbling into recession because of the subprime crisis and a ``mess'' left by former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan.

``I'm very pessimistic,'' Stiglitz said in an interview in London today. ``Alan Greenspan really made a mess of all this. He pushed out too much liquidity at the wrong time. He supported the tax cut in 2001, which is the beginning of these problems. He encouraged people to take out variable-rate


``The richest country in the world cannot live within its means,'' Stiglitz said. ``It's a real example of macro economic mismanagement. The working out of this global imbalance will cause global problems. The depth of the conviction on free markets in the United States is not very great. We have increased those subsidies, doubled them, under President Bush.''

Lowering interest rates now will help the U.S. economy ``a little bit, not very much,'' Stiglitz said, adding that easing terms on mortgage loans would be like ``kicking the problem further down the road.''

Bush, he said, left ``the standing of America around the world at the lowest it's been'' by refusing to sign up to the Kyoto treaty on global warming and by fighting the war in Iraq.

``It's so important for there to be a global agreement to curtail the use of oil, the use of carbon,'' Stiglitz said. ``The big failure is for the United States not to go along.''
 
I say it's a race between Countrywide and Indy as to who can get to $1.50/share 1st.
IMB's the lightweight, and has got the advantage here, they're already in the $10's !
But CFC is huge and is building massive inertia on it's way down, they're in the $12's -- only $2 higher.

What a race folks, what a race!

~~~ Does the Law of Gravity apply here?

~~~ Does one of these firms have a magnetic attraction to the number $ZERO?

Inquiring minds want to know.
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I'll take that bet if you give me IMB vs. CW.
 
End game for Countrywide

Countrywide holders may sell $4 billion of notes

Holders of $4 billion in Countrywide Financial convertible notes are planning to sell their holdings in the mortgage lender, in an offering that won't raise anything for the Calabasas, Calif. firm. In a filing to the Securities and Exchange Commission, the sellers include the Waterstone Market Neutral Master Fund, the Stark Master Fund and Oz Special Funding. The 30-year notes were sold in a private placement back in May.
My bold. Investors are looking to unload Countrywide debt securities that could be an unsecured creditor in a bankruptcy. The end game is fast approaching. Denis may be right that CFC goes all the way first, ahead of IMB.
 
IMO,

IMB at least kept some diligence in their retail fundings and the mortgage brokers were never real happy with their wholesale not always accepting anything - vs - CW activly accepting almost anything and everything while the MBs loved them.....

I'd bet on IMB surviving over CW, IF the hidden deals being played are not already stacked to revive CW...

Us peons will not know what games are being played in the background.
 
CFC is one of the largest players in the mortgage industry, with about $216 billion in assets. The firm primarily originates residential home loans and sells them into the secondary market, while maintaining the servicing rights on its originations. Beyond its mortgage operations, the firm has diversified its platform to include nonmortgage but complementary offerings such as banking services, insurance, AMC, and capital markets. Employees: 64,655


IMB is the seventh-largest savings and loan institution in the U.S. At year-end 2006, it had about $30 billion in assets, and it originated about $92 billion in loans in 2006. It specializes in Alt-A mortgages--loans to prime borrowers who do not meet government-entity documentation guidelines. According to Inside Mortgage Finance, Indymac was the largest Alt-A producer in 2006. The bank's Financial Freedom group is the country's largest originator of reverse mortgages. Employees: 8,630
 
? toxic loans = assets ?

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CFC is one of the largest players in the mortgage industry, with about $216 billion in assets.

IMB is the seventh-largest savings and loan institution in the U.S. At year-end 2006, it had about $30 billion in assets.

Are those really assets? or the figures on their holdings of unsaleable toxic loans?

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Are those really assets? or the figures on their holdings of unsaleable toxic loans?

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Financial assets are not hard assets. They are mostly soft assets. Their hard assets are possibly their buildings and furnitures if they own them and their cash reserve but the rest are paper assets. Loans, good wills, credits. most of their loans have less value now if they want to sell them in the secondary market.
CFC stock share price was about $42 per share a year ago, today is about $12, decline 71% per share in one year
IMB stock share price wast at about $48 per share a year ago, today is about $10, decline 79% per share in one year
 
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Are those really assets? or the figures on their holdings of unsaleable toxic loans?

.:Emoticon_hug:
Financial assets are not hard assets. They are mostly soft assets. Their hard assets are possibly their buildings and furnitures if they own them and their cash reserve but the rest are paper assets. Loans, good wills, credits. most of their loans have less value now if they want to sell them in the secondary market.
CFC stock share price was about $42 per share a year ago, today is about $12, decline 71% per share in one year
IMB stock share price wast at about $48 per share a year ago, today is about $10, decline 79% per share in one year
What really determines a bank's ability to stay afloat is net capital. Last check, IMB had $1.6 Billion.
 
What really determines a bank's ability to stay afloat is net capital. Last check, IMB had $1.6 Billion.

Well I can live a long long time on just the FLOAT on $1.6 Billion.
Can Indy?
 
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