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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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Two things: First, if something is advertised and discounted, accounting dwebs can actually write off the loss as advertising and get away with it, so the "loss" can actually equate to a plus.


Second, the unemployment rates are phony. We're much higher than 4.5% unemployment. Self-employed, entrepreneuers, and the under-employed are not counted. Only corporate hires. Further, a person that gets laid off from a $20 per hour job and has to go to work at Home Depot at $9 per hour is shown as a hire, not showing a loss in overall income. Finally, if someone has given up registering at the unemployment commission, they're not counted as part of the statistics.

Try a true unemployment factor in the mid-double digits. This is per census data, which is not reported, but you can find if you look.
 
RStrahan,

I know about book keeping for corporations. There are two sets of books; one for the IRS and one for the shareholders. It is the shareholder 10k statement filed with the SEC that I am talking about.

I agree, the real unemployment / under employed statistics is in reality much higher than the government reported statistic. However, one thing to watch and what I was referring to is the unemployment claims. They are paying out to more people.

I agree, real growth and wages are not stated truthfully. It is the after tax, after inflation number that needs to be watched for wages. Real inflation is not reported by the CPI.

It is obvious real wages are not keeping pace, which generates negative savings. Increases in personal spending occurs only with increasing debt.

What do you get with massive consumer debt accompanied by rising unemployment and sinking asset prices? A limit to any more new spending growth and a problem servicing any debt repayment. :fiddle:
 
RStrahan,

It is obvious real wages are not keeping pace, which generates negative savings. Increases in personal spending occurs only with increasing debt.

:fiddle:
So true. It drives me nuts when I hear consumer spending went up. What it should say is "Consumer borrowing went up"!!!
 
More of the same - new home sales dropping fast

U.S. new-home sales fall more significantly than forecast in November

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- Sales of new U.S. homes fell by a more-than-expected 9% in November to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 647,000, the Commerce Department reported Friday. Economists surveyed by MarketWatch were expecting new home sales to drop to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 710,000 in November. Meanwhile, October's sales rate was revised downward, to rise by 711,000, or 1.7%. They were previously estimated to have risen to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 728,000. In the past year, sales of new U.S. homes are down 34.4% nationwide.
 
Flush the toilet please - crap overflow

Home Price Plunge in 2008 May Prompt Bankruptcies, Barron Says


Dec. 28 (Bloomberg) -- Homebuilders including Beazer Homes USA Inc., Hovnanian Enterprises Inc. and TOUSA Inc. may face bankruptcy in 2008 as U.S. house prices drop to levels not seen since 2002, said Alex Barron, an analyst for Agency Trading Group.

The Standard & Poor's Supercomposite Homebuilding Index has fallen 56 percent so far this year and sales of new homes fell to a 12-year low in November. Purchases dropped 9 percent to an annual pace of 647,000, from a high of 1.4 million in July 2005, according to data from the U.S. Commerce Department.

The rising inventory of unsold homes, heavy debt loads and falling home prices will continue to hurt builders in 2008, particularly those whose businesses are concentrated in Florida, Washington D.C., Phoenix and other markets with the furthest to fall, Barron said.

 
A formula for the value of real estate

Falling Prices

While the bubble was inflating, self-serving explanations were offered for why traditional formulas of home valuation no longer applied. As it turns out, the laws are still in effect. These traditional measures, like the relationship between home prices, rents and income, indicate that prices need to fall at least 30 percent more nationally. The sooner this balance is achieved, the sooner lenders will again commit capital.

Everyone seems to agree that a return to traditional lending standards is a good idea, but no one seems willing to accept a return to rational prices as a consequence.

Borrowers with loans that are greater than the values of their homes will have few incentives to keep paying their mortgages or to maintain their properties. Why spend more on a home in which they have no equity and which they may lose to foreclosure anyway?

Irrational lending standards drove home prices up by sucking renters into homeownership. Having put nothing down or having extracted equity in previous refinances, most subprime borrowers will lose nothing financially from foreclosure. In some cases the low teaser rates allowed them to pay less than what they might otherwise have paid in rent. The real losses are borne by the lenders.

If home prices were still rising, defaults would be low, investment returns would be high, borrowers would still be cashing out equity, and lenders would be showering credit on home buyers.

Falling prices reverse this dynamic. A recent study by the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston found that most foreclosures result from falling home prices, not from the resetting of mortgage rates.

Higher down payments, mortgage rates and required credit scores — along with lower loan-to-income ratios and perhaps the death of adjustable-rate loans altogether — will further push down home prices.
 
"While the bubble was inflating, self-serving explanations were offered for why traditional formulas of home valuation no longer applied."

Yes indeed --- S.O.S.
  • THIS TIME IT"S DIFFERENT
  • A NEW ERA
 
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