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Housing Bubble Bursting?

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"While the bubble was inflating, self-serving explanations were offered for why traditional formulas of home valuation no longer applied."

Yes indeed --- S.O.S.
  • THIS TIME IT"S DIFFERENT
  • A NEW ERA

Kinda reminds me of the "new economy" babble of the late 1990's. I remember getting lectured about how all the economic theory and financial analysis techniques I learned in college "no longer applied." We all know how that turned out.
 
From Randolph's link above:
These traditional measures, like the relationship between home prices, rents and income, indicate that prices need to fall at least 30 percent more nationally.
I've seen appraisers go from income, cost, and comparable approaches, to cost and comparable approaches, now hear noise to eliminate the cost approach. Isn't it time to discard the comparable approach and reinstate the cost and income approaches? The comparable approach isn't working in this declining market, especially if prices have another 30% to drop to restore normalcy. What someone paid in the past for a home, is no indication of what someone will pay in the future. I think appraisers need an entirely new approach to the valuation of homes, something like a market trend approach, just because it's always been done that way is no reason to continue doing it that way when it fails to work. Sellers need to know what they can get for it, buyers need to know what they an get for it if they do buy it and then sell it, lenders need to know what they can get for it if they have to take it back and sell it, nobody needs to know what similarly situated homes sold for in the past, all parties need to know what they will bring in the future.

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." - Benjamin Franklin
 
Everyone seems to agree that a return to traditional lending standards is a good idea, but no one seems willing to accept a return to rational prices as a consequence.

What??!! We can't have it both ways????
Whaaaaaaaaaa! :cryingsmiley:

I saw this coming a looooong time ago ( http://appraisersforum.com/showthread.php?t=70302&highlight ), but never in my wildest dreams would I have guessed that lenders would drop their loan qualifications so low that today's predictions of a 30% drop in home values actually seems possible.
 
From Randolph's link above:
I've seen appraisers go from income, cost, and comparable approaches, to cost and comparable approaches, now hear noise to eliminate the cost approach. Isn't it time to discard the comparable approach and reinstate the cost and income approaches?..........
Since virtually no one uses the income approach in residential work, and Cost Approach is "no longer necessary".
Following the TREND it looks like now is the time to discard the Sales Comparison Approach.

What we need now is a truly Democratic, New Economy approach - Perhaps we could call it "Cheerleader Analysis".

Broker likes the deal, Loan Officer likes the deal, Buyer/Homeowner likes the deal,
Lender likes the deal, Appraiser might be a holdout, but who cares?

After glancing at a photo of the subject property, and a polling of the Loan Participants,
based on a proprietary weighted Cheerleader analysis, there appears to be a 100% probability
that this loan would be approved at the value provided to the Appraiser.
As a result of the analysis, the vote being heavily weighted toward approval, the appraiser,
who is not a Loan Participant, and is an entirely disinterested party, hereby provides his Official, State Certified rubber-stamp.

(( Please forward my fee of $11.57 to the following address.... ))

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
 
Following the report, the Philadelphia Housing Sector Index dropped 1.1%. "There is no end in sight as far as housing is concerned," said Robert Pavlik, chief investment officer with Oaktree Asset Management. "It's going to continue to be a drag on the economy, so this number isn't so surprising. We need to see housing prices continue to decline in order to eliminate inventories."
and the beat goes on...and the beat goes on. I guess we can change the name of this thread to the Housing Bubble deflated...
Since virtually no one uses the income approach in residential work, and Cost Approach is "no longer necessary".
Following the TREND it looks like now is the time to discard the Sales Comparison Approach.
I love it. HEY, SANTORA! You reading this or didja have a stroke??:rof: :rof:
 
The time has come to pay the piper

Citigroup, other banks mulling selling units

NEW YORK - U.S. and European banks including Citigroup Inc and HSBC Holdings PLC are mulling sales of parts of their businesses from branches to entire units in a nod to crunch times ahead, the Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site on Thursday.

While Citigroup may shed or shut several of its mid-size units, HSBC could exit all or parts of its $13 billion auto finance business, the Journal reported, citing sources familiar with the situation.

Some executives estimate that Citigroup could dispose of as much as $12 billion worth of what are considered noncritical assets, according to the Journal.
 
Distressed Mortgage Fund(s)

As I noted in an earlier post, there are buyers for “junk” debt and CDO, etc. Here’s an article from Forbes:
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2008/0107/034.html

All is not lost, the "Invisible Hand" of the market is hard at work – or will be soon.

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Workout
As a hedge fund manager, Steven Persky stays in business by doing well by his clients. As a side effect, the Los Angeles financier may also contribute to the solution to the housing crisis.

Persky’s firm, Dalton Investments, is raising as much as $1 billion from wealthy individuals and institutions to buy delinquent mortgages in troubled markets like Phoenix, Las Vegas and southern California. Persky figures he can pick up the distressed paper for 50 cents on the dollar.

And then what? Is he going to put defaulting homeowners out on the sidewalk? That’s not his plan. He says he is going to cut deals with them to stay put while making smaller payments than they originally contracted to make. The eviction route would make sense only if there were new buyers willing to pay more than the mortgage balance for the house. (A lot more—evictions are expensive affairs.) For the kinds of mortgages Persky is looking at, such buyers are not to be found.

“A lot of defaulted mortgages need to be restructured, but this is a classic distressed investing opportunity,” Persky says. “This market will clear by investors restructuring distressed assets, not by government unilaterally changing credit terms.”

What happens when a junk bond issuer gets into trouble? Do the bondholders put padlocks on the doors and sell the company’s machinery for scrap? Usually not. The creditors are likely to do better keeping the factory running.

Persky concedes that the housing market has a lot more pain ahead. So far 3.3% of the mortgage borrowers in this country are 30 or more days delinquent on their payments, according to Equifax. That figure will hit 4% next year, Moody’s Economy.com predicts.

Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is working on an interest- rate freeze with big lenders, and some politicians would go a lot beyond the Paulson plan, with moratoriums on foreclosures. In the meantime, the distressed-debt buyers are out in force. They see the mortgage fiasco as a buying opportunity as good as the one presented by junk bonds in 1990 or busted tech stocks in 2002. In 2006 private equity firms raised $18 billion for investments in distressed debt and special situations, including housing. In the first eight months of 2007 they raised another $23 billion, says Private Equity Intelligence.

So far very little of this cash has been put to work. The bottom has not been found in home prices, but it has to exist somewhere. This is what the debt workout business is all about.

Bond giant Pacific Investment Management, a subsidiary of Allianz SE, is raising $2 billion, including $20 million from its own employees, to invest in the Pimco Distressed Mortgage Fund. The firm told prospective clients it expects to earn 15% to 20% annual returns, according to the Fresno County Employees’ Retirement Association. Among other pensions plunking down funds are the Oklahoma Teachers, Orange County (Calif.) Employees and New Jersey’s Division of Investment. New Jersey is giving Pimco $125 million and the Centerbridge Distressed Credit Partners Fund another $100 million.

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“There’s a lot of competition among smart investors,” he says. “I don’t think government intervention is needed.
 
Persky’s firm, Dalton Investments, is raising as much as $1 billion from wealthy individuals and institutions to buy delinquent mortgages in troubled markets like Phoenix, Las Vegas and southern California. Persky figures he can pick up the distressed paper for 50 cents on the dollar.
My bold. All he has to do is find first mortgage holders willing to sell their paper at $0.50 on the dollar. At that price, there will be lots of competition from like minded investors. Lenders will be more likely to foreclose and put the properties on the market before they sell at 50 cents on the dollar.

If he is buying second mortgages, then they will be wiped out once the first mortgage holder forecloses.
 
1 Billion should get them about two square blocks in L.A , What about the rest of the country???
 
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