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How Bikes Work: What Does This Have To Do With Appraisal?

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This is an interesting video:


What does this have to do with appraisal?

A good design and feedback mechanism can, rather surprisingly, add a lot to balance and stability.

Appraisal as a feedback and control mechanism.

Food for thought.
 
This is an interesting video:


What does this have to do with appraisal?

A good design and feedback mechanism can, rather surprisingly, add a lot to balance and stability.

Appraisal as a feedback and control mechanism.

Food for thought.
I didn't have a chance yet to view the video, but it can't possibly be as interesting as the manner in which your written voice has changed, as though the strict, handscrabble quaint morphed suddendly into a logical empirisist determined to ingratiate himself into the good grace of his peers rather then to overwhelm with bricks of data. But WTF do I know--other than I wont ever even understand how much more you know than I know, let alone try to understand it. If you're able to make that type of change, your wisdom is on point. {don't know whther to post my comments, or trash em....]
 
In Amsterdam, many many bikes. I had to watch out for them or else I might get run down.
It was odd seeing people of all ages especially some old geezards riding bikes.
Land was flat so easy to ride.
Around here more and more bike lanes are being made and mostly young people on them.
Problem is that there still more cars and it's dangerous to ride bicycles. I'm too old to die.
 
This guys channel on YouTube, Veritasium, is a must watch for anyone with kids or grandkids. Been a household staple for ten or so years.
 
I didn't have a chance yet to view the video, but it can't possibly be as interesting as the manner in which your written voice has changed, as though the strict, handscrabble quaint morphed suddendly into a logical empirisist determined to ingratiate himself into the good grace of his peers rather then to overwhelm with bricks of data. But WTF do I know--other than I wont ever even understand how much more you know than I know, let alone try to understand it. If you're able to make that type of change, your wisdom is on point. {don't know whther to post my comments, or trash em....]

Well yes, you would have to watch video. But if you don't want to spend time watching I'll offer my summary:

1. If you want to turn your bike left or right, it turns out that you first have to turn it in the opposite direct to throw your balance in that turn direction, or you will tip over. Most people learn to do this when the "learn to ride a bike" - but are amazingly unaware that they are doing so (although it is just for a brief moment. This one guy in the video wanted to demostrate this by rigging up a bike sot that he could prevent that short turn in the opposite direction. And test riders were dumbfounded that they were falling over when they tried to turn in the indicated direction.

1a. Note this subtle unconcious maneuver, is beyond the awareness of most and goes undetected over 99% of individuals. It is probably only the few who venture to learn to ride unicycles (one wheel bicycles) that become aware of these laws related to the shift of gravity. They know because they consciously have to always pedal backward before attempting pedal forward.

2. We do see that poor appraisals, both residential and commercial, in particular over-valuations appear to have a larger than expected impact on the economy every 20 years or so, by leading to inflated house prices and the collapse of lending institutions and the larger economy. What this should emphasize is that these tolerated inacuraccies are defects in healthy contol and feedback mechanisms. This continual tendency towards over-valuations to satisfy sellers, loan officers and misguided buyers -> leads to the bike eventually tipping over.

3. The natural corrective maneuver would be to very carefully look at the price indications in the market place and reflect them accurately in appraisal reports.

Always at the service of the lazy dodos.
 
The natural corrective maneuver would be to make lenders much more financially responsible for the appraisers they hire.
 
The natural corrective maneuver would be to make lenders much more financially responsible for the appraisers they hire.
What ideas do you have in that regard? I can't think of anything that wouldn't be too expensive.

Better to prevent problems in the first place with better standards that magically make violations stand out like bright red flags, so they are very apparent for all to see. For example, clear mathematical constraints that are either conformed to or violated. No in between. No grey area. Either-or. Then we do a have a few, very few softer constraints that have some leeway and these will most likely be narrowly focused on rating the subject against comps, with mathematical pre-conditions that greatly reduce the impact of any possible errors on the value conclusion.
 
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Lenders need to have more skin in the game by holding greater financial liability for their decisions. One of my greatest disappointments of the 2008 financial meltdown was that none of the major lenders were forced to either recapitalized or economically euthanized with the parts sold off to well managed institutions. The opposite happened with the good players penalized by not being Ridley and the bad players rewarded with a bailout.

So, how to correct this? Good question. This is not my area of expertise but here’s a few thoughts. More liability for loans they make. Have management bonuses that don’t vest for 3-5 years with clawback provisions (to avoid what happened in 2005-2007 where bonuses were based for loan volume, not loan profitability). Require the lender be responsible for the first x% of loan losses for any reason when the loan is sold; hire an inept appraiser or shoddy AMC and the lenders eats that x%. In short, better alignment of public risk to lender performance.
 
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Lenders need to have more skin in the game by holding greater financial liability for their decisions. One of my greatest disappointments of the 2008 financial meltdown was that none of the major lenders were forced to either recapitalized or economically euthanized with the parts sold off to well managed institutions. The opposite happened with the good players penalized by not being Ridley and the bad players rewarded with a bailout.

So, how to correct this? Good question. This is not my area of expertise but here’s a few thoughts. More liability for loans they make. Have management bonuses that don’t vest for 3-5 years with clawback provisions (to avoid what happened in 2005-2007 where bonuses were based for loan volume, not loan profitability). Require the lender be responsible for the first x% of loan losses for any reason when the loan is sold; hire an inept appraiser or shoddy AMC and the lenders eats that x%. In short, better alignment of public risk to lender performance.

However, such claims can be contested in court, which would make them expensive to implement. You need to avoid the court; otherwise, your method will be inefficient and not really possible to implement across the board.

What you need are straightforward methods that are clearly either implemented or not implemented, at the ground level. And if clear protocols are not implemented, it is very evident that it is a black-white issue, and the appraisal is rejected before it gets off the ground.

For example:

1. Requiring adjustments to only be calculated as differences between feature value contributions, where we have the very clear constraint that all value contributions have to add up to the net sale price for each comparable and the estimated value conclusion for the subject property.

2. All subjective value adjustments, as well have to be calculated from the corresponding subjective feature value contributions, where those value contributions have to add up to the residual difference between each comparables net sale price and MARS estimate of sale price or in the case between the subject estimated residual based on a comparison with a ranked ordering of comparable residuals (per the RCA method).

However, it will be acknowledged that to utilize this particular RCA method, the appraiser must be trained in using MARS, which is non-trivial and somewhat comparable in difficulty to learning how to create neural network models (although building neural network models is a much larger subject and requires the modeler to exert contol over the process at a lower level, - and work with usually much larger data sets). But, given that neural networks are needed for ranking properties based on photos, we might as well require that skill from appraisers. So, that, all of a sudden, appraisers will need to have some understanding of:

1. Matrix Algebra
2. Minimal calculus and partial differential equations.
3. Programming in R, Python, and perhaps a little C/C++.
4. Non-parametric statistics.
5. Mulivariate Adaptive Regression Splines (MARS) - which is of CENTRAL importance in appraisal.
6. Neural Networks (How to train neural networks to discern property appeal based on photographs for specific market areas).

And the big problem (1) is automating the workflow, and (2) getting the market to pay people to do this kind of work, which has to compete with high AI salaries.

It's difficult to predict how this will ultimately turn out. I suppose that with time, it will happen, because appraisal is not only an appraisal, but also a control mechanism to stabilize the economy, to prevent systemic overvaluation that leads to economic crashes every 20 years or so.
 
Back to more fun bicycle steering stuff. This time from Smarter Every Day (another “must watch” YouTuber if you have kids).

 
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