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Sorry, I'm not an attorney, but of all the BPO forms I've looked at they seem to be in a directive format, there are no certifications or disclosures, liability disclaimers, etc., just signature and telephone number. I'm curious too, how much liability (if any) do these evaluations carry. The agent I know who does these, says no liability what so ever, maybe she is living in delusion???.

Here are some for review? I like the Chase one best.

http://www.reoexperts.net/forms.aspx
I've seen many of them.

If a home owner in California suffers a loss due to a loan made based on an inflated BPO, do you honestly think they won't include the broker in the law suit? Do you think not having training and not being licensed as an appraiser will help their case in court? Do you think failing to put information in the report such as certifications, disclosures, liability disclaimers and such will aid a defense against charges of negligence or fraud?

I firmly believe that given the way the market is going, there will be a suit involving a BPO in the not too distant future. When the verdict comes through you will here brokers across the country saying a collective, "Oh $hit" as they recognize their exposure to such claims.
 
An appraiser must properly identify the problem to be solved in order to determine the appropriate scope of work. The appraiser must be prepared to demonstrate that the scope of work is sufficient to produce credible assignment results.

How about this clear cut and concise requirement. Do avms or bpos have to be prepared to defend their results? I wonder how a state board might construe your so-called USPAP compliant sow in terms of whether it resulted in a "credible" value... Come on Stone--there are so many traps in USPAP you would have to be an idiot to hang your license on a sow that could compete with a BPO or an avm.
 
For those of you that are so worried about damaging the reputation of the appraisal profession, you might want to look around to see what is actually left to save.

If our opinion were truly valued within the context of "protecting the public's interest", then every member of the public would be ordering an appraisal before they made any offer on a property. Kinda tells ya how much our services are valued.
 
Sandy,

The reson that people do not order an appraisal, is because they do not understand the value of having a true appraisal, and what goes into doing a true appraisal. They had someone come over walk through the house, take 3 pictures spend 5- 10 minutes there and have the report ready the next day. They assume that they make about $175 an hour. They want what is going to be the fastest as long as the value is there. They see us as a necesary evil. We should try to educate them instead of changing for the detriment of the real estate field. We were not the reason for the real estate market blowing up. No interest financing, low payments, and unrealistic agents had more to do with it than we did. Again if you want to do BPO's go become a realtor.
 
For those of you that are so worried about damaging the reputation of the appraisal profession, you might want to look around to see what is actually left to save.

If our opinion were truly valued within the context of "protecting the public's interest", then every member of the public would be ordering an appraisal before they made any offer on a property. Kinda tells ya how much our services are valued.

I think there is a lot left to save.

>>>This is not meant as a shot - please don't take it as such<<<

It seems to me, having done plenty of mortgage work and gone completely away from it within the last year or so, that the folks who don't think there is much left to this profession are typically lender dominated in their clients. Frequently MBs and AMCs.

It has been said here before: Get better clients. Diversify. That doesn't necessarily mean no lender work, but don't take the lousy paying jobs from scumbags hoping you will get more and that they will get better.

There is more of this work available than people think. And, when appraisers stop bending over and doing whatever the MBs, etc. want, all of our lives will be better.
 
Stone:
good point-any response to my USPAP quotes and how your sow might get around them?
 
Lawrence r's post is worth the read. Stone-poundage does not mean a report filled with irrelevant data it means that those that use our services do not seem to be leaning toward wanting more relevant info, they seem to be leaning toward a more lean quicker product for the collateral side. Whether that is advisable or not can be debated ad- infinitem and has been on this forum for a long time. But it has not changed the trend despite the current situation which is what amazes me. Speed and greed still prevails. At some point in time one has to sit back and ponder whether one can actually survive by hanging on to the ole ways of doing things whether those ways are better or not or at some point do you have to do what you gotta do to survive. Many---I guess way too many appraisers have already made that decision to do what it took to survive and compromise quality and even their ethics. It's too late to try to turn the clock back now except for some here that are near retirement and have made their money. It's easier for them to post day after day how high their ethics are and how they are hangin onto to their poundage products with great pride. Good for them but there are way too many appraisers out there that have bills to pay, kids to put through school etc... to be able for them to afford to take the high road. You can't regulate, catch or punish them all so for right now, this profession is mostly in shambles and the reasons for it are not necessarily worth re-hashing without their being any realistic chances for real changes. Not worth the effort debating even unless there are some realistic prospects on the horizon-we thought the hvcc might be it but it doesn't look like it now. The whole system needs to be dismantled but that isn't going to happen despite what has happened.
This lean and mean USPAP compliant sow may or may not exist but let's say it does-There is still way too much risk associated with performing these appraisals from state boards that may or may interpret a fully compliant sow as not being compliant. I would like you to respond to my statement about the development requirements for an appraisal and how they can be met by an appraisal product that could compete with a BPO. Let's talk specifics-which standards could be eliminated in the development of an appraisal.

I'm not clear which standards you associate with making it impossible to produce a report, with a limited SOW, that could be quick. :shrug: I'm not sure why you would want to/need to eliminate standards in order to do this.

You are more than capable of sitting down in front of your computer, copy of USPAP in hand, and writing out a shell document that would explain a very limited SOW that could be changed slightly for each assignment without much fuss.

SOW - say what you do and do what you say. Figure out what level of inspection is needed for this type of product - explain it. Figure out what level of research is necessary for this type of assignment - explain it. Figure out what definition of market value you are using and include it. Note who the intended use/users are. Describe what information sources you are using. Explain which approaches to value are appropriate. Personally, I'd note and EAs or HCs, but apparently that isn't a requirement. Write up the purpose of the appraisal. Note the legal, ownership and HBU (as briefly as possible). Set up a fairly brief and simple sales comparison section.

I'm not taking out USPAP simply to prove something that doesn't need proving. But, that is a basic summary of the steps you would go through to create a quick and easy shell doc. I'm a little wordy and cannot imagine doing it in less than 4-5 pages, but I suppose it could be done in less. At any rate, for urban residential properties, that could be done in a manner that doesn't require tons of changes every time. You would have to find out what the client is looking for and see if anything else is necessary.

I'm not going to tell you it would be profitable. I've never claimed I would do this. I don't understand people wishing to work for many of the fees I see discussed around here. But, if one is hell-bent on competing with BPOs, USPAP doesn't deny one the ability to do so.

And, if that is your cup of tea, I'm guessing your background as an appraiser would be an asset in becoming a RE agent and doing all sorts of these without USPAP.

FTR - I liked Larry's post as well.
 
Stone:
good point-any response to my USPAP quotes and how your sow might get around them?

You're too quick. We poundage appraisers take some time to type things up. :new_smile-l:
 
any known easements, restrictions, encumbrances, leases, reservations, covenants, contracts, declarations, special assessments, ordinances, or other items of a similar nature; and

How about this one-can I skip it like the bpos and avms do?

Maybe a sow statement like-I did not research or consider any of the above items in this appraisal will cover me huh?

Now I know what quotes you were talking about.

You can explain in your SOW where that info comes from. It could very easily come from the owner and a quick check of tax records. Just don't pretend it comes from anywhere that it doesn't.

Remember, the level of research depends on the level of assignment. Don't get caught in a mode thinking you have to produce the same report you produce now.

As Rex noted - you probably have software to do much of this. I'm just not that familiar with them.

BTW - I'm not advocating doing any of this. Yuck. :new_smile-l: I'm just sayin' you can. You can do it right now without any changes that affect the rest of us.
 
My guess, SANDY, is that you were taught appraisal by a very ethical appraiser, who insisted on doing things one way. Probably what most (including me) would consider the right way. That is certainly a good thing. But, it doesn't mean that every assignment requires the same SOW.
 
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