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How Long Do You Think It Will Be?

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Some people believe examining the data and pointing to the obvious is wanting a market correction. My prediction is 4Q 2019 for a serious decline in the housing market based upon:

  • Super low interest rates, rising to normal levels allowing price discovery
  • Incomes are not keeping pace with inflation
  • Asset prices are overly inflated, some markets worse than others
  • Mis-priced risk
 
Some people believe examining the data and pointing to the obvious is wanting a market correction. My prediction is 4Q 2019 for a serious decline in the housing market based upon:

  • Super low interest rates, rising to normal levels allowing price discovery
  • Incomes are not keeping pace with inflation
  • Asset prices are overly inflated, some markets worse than others
  • Mis-priced risk
I work for a mortgage insurer and we have a lot of people (all of whom are pretty sharp) who constantly are examining and analyzing the data and while we have concerns about the future of the market however, trying to predict the exact timing of any future market correction is nothing more than a guessing game...maybe a correction will happen in late 2019, maybe one won't happen until 2020 or 2021 or 2022 or maybe a correction will begin later in 2018.

I am interested in hearing what housing related risks you think are mis-priced and the amount (on a percentage basis) that you think these risks are mis-priced by.
 
I am interested in hearing what housing related risks you think are mis-priced and the amount (on a percentage basis) that you think these risks are mis-priced by.

I believe the stock and bond markets are severely distorted because of zero percent interest rate policy along with QE which lasted a long time. As interest rates rise, the risk increases, the reverse of when interest rates fall.

What is apparent is the monthly payments on mortgages that allowed a mis-pricing of residential real estate.

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Prices of homes increased as interest rates fell. At some point, the reverse will happen as interest rates rise.
 
The January high in the S&P 500 will prove to be the peak of the bull market and a U.S. recession may start in the next 12 months, said David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc.

“Cycles die, and you know how they die?” Rosenberg told the Inside ETFs Canada conference in Montreal on Thursday. “Because the Fed puts a bullet in its forehead.”

“We are seeing a significant shift in the markets,” he said. “The Fed was responsible for 1,000 rally points this cycle so we have to pay attention to what happens when the movie runs backwards.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...u-s-recession-in-12-months-s-p-500-has-peaked


  • 1-month T-bill close to eclipsing S&P 500 dividend yield
  • Investors chase money-market ETFs, flee dividend funds

First it was the 12-month bill, and the six-month, and then the three. Now, the interest rate on the one-month Treasury bill is close to overtaking the dividend yield on U.S. stocks for the first time in a decade -- underscoring why risk-free short-term government debt is trumping the allure of stocks for income-hungry investors.
 
The January high in the S&P 500 will prove to be the peak of the bull market and a U.S. recession may start in the next 12 months, said David Rosenberg, chief economist and strategist at Gluskin Sheff & Associates Inc.

“Cycles die, and you know how they die?” Rosenberg told the Inside ETFs Canada conference in Montreal on Thursday. “Because the Fed puts a bullet in its forehead.”

“We are seeing a significant shift in the markets,” he said. “The Fed was responsible for 1,000 rally points this cycle so we have to pay attention to what happens when the movie runs backwards.”

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...u-s-recession-in-12-months-s-p-500-has-peaked


  • 1-month T-bill close to eclipsing S&P 500 dividend yield
  • Investors chase money-market ETFs, flee dividend funds
First it was the 12-month bill, and the six-month, and then the three. Now, the interest rate on the one-month Treasury bill is close to overtaking the dividend yield on U.S. stocks for the first time in a decade -- underscoring why risk-free short-term government debt is trumping the allure of stocks for income-hungry investors.


It’s all supply and demand. Are you stupid or something?

Market structure (oligopsony), interest rates have nothing to do with it.

Nobody cares about market value of real estate. Get with the times. Lol
 
It’s all supply and demand. Are you stupid or something?

Market structure (oligopsony), interest rates have nothing to do with it.

Nobody cares about market value of real estate. Get with the times. Lol

you are asking if someone is stupid when they are talking about the stock market and you are spouting off (yet again) about an oligopsony (which there isn't with regard to real estate appraisal). i think that says it all...
 
you are asking if someone is stupid when they are talking about the stock market and you are spouting off (yet again) about an oligopsony (which there isn't with regard to real estate appraisal). i think that says it all...

Do you know what an oligopsony is?
 
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The monetary base tracks the FED's balance sheet where they bought $4+ trillion in mortgage back securities and US treasury debt injecting that amount of money into the banking system. As you can see, there is about a 2 year lag of injecting money (printing money) and home prices increasing.

The FED is now contracting the money supply and raising interest rates.

What's the effect on home prices after 2 years?

To understand how government-influenced interest rates, capital flows, and financing rates affect property values, you should have a basic understanding of the income approach to real estate values. Although real estate values are influenced by the supply and demand for properties in a given locale and the replacement cost of developing new properties, the income approach is the most common valuation technique for investors. The income approach provided by appraisers of commercial properties and by underwriters and investors of real estate-backed investments is very similar to the discounted cash flow analysis conducted on equity and bond investments.

  • $240,000 x 80% at 4.5% interest equals a payment of $972.84
  • $226,260 X 80% at 5.0% interest equals a payment of $971.65
  • $214,062 X 80% at 5.5% interest equals a payment of $972.34
  • $202,500 X 80% at 6.0% interest equals a payment of $971.27
  • $192,188 X 80% at 6.5% interest equals a payment of $971.80

You can see that a 2% increase in an interest rate would lose you about $50,000 of purchasing power in this price range. If you doubled the sales price, you would lose about 100,000 of purchasing power for a 2% spread in interest.
 
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The monetary base tracks the FED's balance sheet where they bought $4+ trillion in mortgage back securities and US treasury debt injecting that amount of money into the banking system. As you can see, there is about a 2 year lag of injecting money (printing money) and home prices increasing.

The FED is now contracting the money supply and raising interest rates.

What's the effect on home prices after 2 years?

To understand how government-influenced interest rates, capital flows, and financing rates affect property values, you should have a basic understanding of the income approach to real estate values. Although real estate values are influenced by the supply and demand for properties in a given locale and the replacement cost of developing new properties, the income approach is the most common valuation technique for investors. The income approach provided by appraisers of commercial properties and by underwriters and investors of real estate-backed investments is very similar to the discounted cash flow analysis conducted on equity and bond investments.

  • $240,000 x 80% at 4.5% interest equals a payment of $972.84
  • $226,260 X 80% at 5.0% interest equals a payment of $971.65
  • $214,062 X 80% at 5.5% interest equals a payment of $972.34
  • $202,500 X 80% at 6.0% interest equals a payment of $971.27
  • $192,188 X 80% at 6.5% interest equals a payment of $971.80

You can see that a 2% increase in an interest rate would lose you about $50,000 of purchasing power in this price range. If you doubled the sales price, you would lose about 100,000 of purchasing power for a 2% spread in interest.


Your on a different platform from supply and demand. Your bringing in several other market forces and powers. Your doing good and putting Timd to shame. I love it. Lol
 
Do you know what an oligopsony is?

yes, but you apparently don't.


Your on a different platform from supply and demand. Your bringing in several other market forces and powers. Your doing good and putting Timd to shame. I love it. Lol

you're using the wrong word over and over and over...
 
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