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How Many Of Of You Use The Assessor Sketch?

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I usually try and always measure.

Has it made any differences in my value estimate? - almost never ....

.... but, I remember a few occassions where it really matters ......

plus, I need to justify my existence ....
 
Count me as one of those never, never guys. Frankly, I'm appalled.

I must have the very most accurate data possible on my subject property. I believe our biggest risk factor lies in presenting inacurate data on the attributes of the subject.

Of course I don't measure comps. I can get other appraiser's sq ft on a big % of my comps (we have a very cooperative area in that instance), which in this area is much more reliable than the assessor. (I don't think non-measurers share data) In the absence of that I am forced to use only the assessor's data on comps.

A lot of times county sq ft is very good, but too many times it is way off, not even looking like the actual footprint.

Our agents always just note assessor sq ft and they always add finished basements to living area. They are not much help.


Marcia
 
Good point David. What needs measured and why is a matter of conjecture. Obviously, the Residential appraisers place a higher value on it than do the commercial ones. I just examined a High Biosecurity farm. I did the original plans and specs appraisal. The barns are 5 yr. old and they are extremely secure. To enter the barn or even the perimeter area, I would have to go to the decontamination bay at the poultry company, they spray my car while I shower, change into their clothes and put on their disposable boots over their rubber boots. When I get to the farm I have to decontaminate all over going thru a disinfectant spray (and that includes the camera which i cannot use INSIDE the barn due to potential industrial spying- so you have to take a waterproof camera) and foot bath, once thru the houses, I repeat that process, go back to the decontamination bay, they once again decontaminate the car, and there I don't have to shower out (employees do) but can change in the "dirty" room, and poke the clothes I was wearing into a hole where they are disinfected and washed and stored in lockers.....this is roughly a 3-4 hour process plus time in the inspection, or. I can trust what I know. And who the heck is going know. The assessor has the same problem. Trust what they tell you and go on.
 
Originally posted by Marcia Langley@Nov 4 2005, 09:46 PM
Count me as one of those never, never guys. Frankly, I'm appalled.

At what? :shrug:

Outside of Terrel (who is talking about large Poultry farms), I think everyone has said they measure for themselves. Using a sketch as a guide is not the same thing as not measuring.

I wish we had the kind of data available to do that.
 
The only time I've used the pub rec sketch, is when I've screwed up. In other words if I've forgotten to write in a measurement.
Even then it is for "second guess" purposes only, because my other measurements usually bring the sketch home.
I must confess that in the last 4 years, I have forgotten to input 2 measurements a couple times, and then the pub rec sketch has been an invaluable tool as a reference.
 
If I have access to the subject property--I measure, whether I have never seen the property before or I measured it a year ago. Houses I have appraised 3-4 times have been measured those 3-4 times. After I get back to the office and start to write up the report, I compare my measurements to the assessor's measurements and sketch. Quite frequently all that information on the assessor's property record card is in my hand writing from thirty years ago. I have always measured to the tenth of a foot. Quite frequently my measurement thirty years ago was either the same or within a tenth of a foot of my current measurement. So tapes don't stretch or shrink after all. My time spent at a property is the same whether it is a new assignment or property I have measured three times before. I want to make sure that I haven't made an error previously and the only way to do that is to remeasure and look at everything. The time spent remeasuring doesn't take that long.

So measure every time!!!
 
There used to be an chief appraiser in Delaware Co., OK named George. George was working on a sketch one day and was using LandChec, an old DOS survey module. He had worked all day on it. It was a nightmare. I always dreaded getting an assignment for such. I got one. ~6800 SF if i recall, 3 stories+ basement, the lower was a basement, you could measure only part of 2 sides of the basement, the first floor was above ground on part and the upper levels. The basement was smaller than the footprint of the upper level. A foot bridge went into the house at Fl 1. The upper floors were irregular boxes stacked at 45 degree angles and were slightly larger. You would have needed a 60' ladder, make that 2 ladders to meaure.

We guessed at it. We went to the assessors sketch and it was close. Talked to George. They guessed at it too.

The accuracy of the measurement may be a badge of honor to appraisers, and I certainly don't want to discourage anyone from measuring every time...that's why we have not done driveby appraisals since 1996. How can you know? Then again, if we are depending upon MLS and/or Public records data for SF of the comps, how accurate are our adjustments? Not any better than the accuracy of the realtor/assessor. Except we have measured it ourselves, we almost never have any SF source except the owner, the public records, the bank (usually very reluctant to give you a copy of the appraisal) or MLS for comps..and 90% of the MLS estimates come from the assessors sheet..which is good. At least they put down the right figure and not the gross SF with garage included. 50% of owners give you SF that includes the garage.

Finished a Motel. No measurement. We had a survey in hand and engineering drawings with the dimensions surveyed in. Far better measure than we could have done because we don't have a 300' tape. A wheel is not perfect on rough ground like an asphalt parking lot that is breaking up. And it documents well.

Fit the work to the project. An old barn in a field, a small shed, what value are they? probably none. Your personal measurement is meaningless. If the owner tells me his pool is 20' x 40' and i know its only 18' x 36' kidney shaped, does it matter? Not really. He counts the apron around the edge. It matters even less if its 18.2 x 35.9'...that implies an accuracy I doubt we are capable of. one-tenth of foot measurements for farm buildings, again, is much overkill and misleading to a point. The owner contracts for a 43' x 500' poultry barn, the integrator requires it, the builder bids on it, and the owner is paid per SF based upon it...my 43.2' x 501.1' measurement is meaningless.

Some assessor records are better than others. SW Missouri...sux putty balls. NE Oklahoma...pretty good but sometimes dated and misses updates. Arkansas...very good most parts. New construction in some backwoods counties don't show up for years though...ditto for remodels.

Due diligence in residential appraising suggests that physical measurement by the appraiser is appropriate. But that is not the case for a lot of properties.
 
OK, I confess, I did use the assessor measurements...once, because I so hopelessly screwed my own on site measurements that I could not figure it out without some kind of intervention and I didn't have enough money to hire a real surveyor or a therapist. Just once. That's one time only. Got that---once. That's all. Now, I feel much better having gotten that off my chest.
 
And the truth shall set you free...halleluya, my bother! :rofl:
 
Yeah, Wayne ought to charge for this behavior modification.
 
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