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HVCC Is Dead-HR3221 Is Law

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The money that we would have spent on enforcement of the existing rules and regs is literally a drop in the bucket compared to the cumulative total losses in the general economy resulting from these unchecked-violations. The cost of this bailout and the losses from the insolvent lenders are just the tip of the iceberg.

I would personally like to carve this statement into the skulls of those who are now so involved in cleaning up the mess. The whole thing is a joke of staggering proportions.
 
The HVCC isn't dead and neither is the OFHEO. The OFHEO will be around for another year until the new system kicks in. And even if the OFHEO were dead why would that kill the HVCC? The agreement is done and the main parties are still alive.
 
Who's Going to Regulate the AMC?

Lenders are scurrying to AMC's to do their ordering and the cost of doing this is being passed on to the appraiser. I had one client since 2003 that as of August 1st is ordering through Equifax. Equifax called me and asked what my fee was for a full 1004 URAR and I
quoted a modest $325.00. She replied that she has appraisers willing to complete appraisals for $150.00 I asked if they could read and write! SHe told me I could fill out the paperwork but thought I would no longer get the lenders business. NICE!

The consumer is paying $325 and equifax is taking 54% of the money for what? an electronic transfer of the appraisal from appraiser to lender......
First of all the lender should pay the AMC. We didn't hire them.
Cuomo created a real mess.
What say you?
 
I would personally like to carve this statement into the skulls of those who are now so involved in cleaning up the mess. The whole thing is a joke of staggering proportions.


Had they been doing there jobs we would not have such an oversupply of appraisers.

Frankly its sickening. Skippy wins again. Great!

My appraisal board just changed the rules on how many trainees you can have from two to three. Seems that many trainees can not find a position. OK, so what, how does raising the limit increase business! That is the problem, there is not enough business to go araound.

Thank You NCAB, you bunch of Stupid B_strds!
 
Lenders are scurrying to AMC's to do their ordering and the cost of doing this is being passed on to the appraiser. I had one client since 2003 that as of August 1st is ordering through Equifax. Equifax called me and asked what my fee was for a full 1004 URAR and I
quoted a modest $325.00. She replied that she has appraisers willing to complete appraisals for $150.00 I asked if they could read and write! SHe told me I could fill out the paperwork but thought I would no longer get the lenders business. NICE!

The consumer is paying $325 and equifax is taking 54% of the money for what? an electronic transfer of the appraisal from appraiser to lender......
First of all the lender should pay the AMC. We didn't hire them.
Cuomo created a real mess.
What say you?

The mess was created long before Andrew Cuomo showed up to save the day. His office has just seemed to muck it up some more. At the end of the day, the financial institutions will do things their way, and will continue to bleed millions with poor lending practices and risk collateral assessment. Lending institutions are going with the Wal-Mart business model. They insist on putting square pegs in round holes all in the interest of the immediate bottom line. It hasn't worked out for 272 (implode meter) of them so far and many of the others are just too arrogant and greedy to stop it. It truly is amazingly pathetic.
After reading Greg Boyd's thread on the recent assignment from RELS I am starting to be convinced that the few remaining mortgage brokers out there are more ethical and responsible than many of the lenders and their AMC partners.
 
Licensing individual loan originators will work only to the extent that the rules are enforced.

But not to worry. You guys will still be able to keep your MB relationships, and after all, that's the only thing that matters here. Right?

I've talked to a few of my clients that welcome licensing, they see it as a way to weed out the scumbag originators. I think the CE alone would eliminate some LOs since they are barely literate.

As to maintaining relationships with clients, frankly, while not the only thing that matters to me, it's definitely at the top of the list. I'd hate to see years of work acquiring clients go down the drain.

TC
 
After reading Greg Boyd's thread on the recent assignment from RELS I am starting to be convinced that the few remaining mortgage brokers out there are more ethical and responsible than many of the lenders and their AMC partners.

Kevin,

One of the biggest failures of concerned appraisers has been to fail in the attempt to expose the appraiser coercion that exists within the AMC system.

IMO AMCs, MBs, and banks' commissioned LOs are roughly equal in their ethics (lack of) regarding appraiser selection.

The financial industry has succeeded in making the MBs the scapegoats.

And the banks are still getting away with portraying the AMCs as a coercion-free solution even after Cuomo exposed the rot.

At least with bank los and MBs the appraiser can control their own ethics one assignment at a time. With AMCs there is a contractural arrangement and a depersonalization that takes much of that control away from appraisers.

But the only solution is and always has been to take appraiser/appraisal selection/ordering away from any entity that has a financial interest in the outcome. That includes bank LOs, AMCs, and MBs.

As long as the banks continue to get their way and continue to hold this sort of economic power over appraisers there will be coercion and caving in to coercion.

But appraisers cast their votes in overwhelming numbers to preserve the ability for LOs to coerce them. They call it "protecting my ethical client relationships I have built up over the years."

Phooey.

My single biggest disappointment this year was the vast numbers of appraisers who signed the AlaMode petition. I have very high regard for Mr. Biggers and believe deeply that he has the financial success of his appraisers at heart and that he also is highly concerned about the ability of appraisers to perform ethically.

But his petition reflected what the vast majority of the appraisers wanted and that was to preserve the status quo of the coercion/caving paradigm.

Appraisers voted on the same side as the banks, AMCs, MBs, RE agents, congress, etc. That vote was:

"Please do not eliminate appraiser coercion, that is the only way I can make any money."

And that appraiser vote far outnumbered the signatures on our forum petition which simply calls for removal of comissioned entities from the process. Appraisers have proven that as a group they are no mre concerned about coercion than the clients are.

People can villify Cuomo all they want but there are some real appraiser independence protections in the HVCC. No, it's not perfect and yes, the obvious effort to drive business into AMCs was present.

But it also removed two groups of commissioned based appraiser selection and added specific accountability to AMCs, similar to what it placed on banks.

And, again, the MBs disappearance predates Cuomo's work and continues to escalate because it is the strategy of the banks. That was not the sole idea of Cuomo. That was the idea of the banks.

So the majority of all the participants are getting what they want. Including appraisers.

But the appraisers will end up with the thing they feared most. That being the driving of almost all the work to AMCs. Only without the potential protections spelled out in the HVCC.
 
Marcia, while I agree with most of your post there are some things I take exception to. I currently list 3 MBs as clients. I have had relationships with these clients for 20 years. Two of them were salaried bank LOs prior to striking out on their own in the early 90s. There is zero coercion. 100% of their deals are A paper. All of their sales have significant down payments and impeccable credit. I am sorry there are those out there that do not believe such folks exist(they are indeed rare) but they do. They all live by the "it is what it is rule" because $$$ is not a problem with their client base. So for you to say "Phooey" is presumptuous. I most likely will lose these clients (they constitute about 30% on my business) somewhere down the line when all lenders decide they should control every aspect of the process. So the few legitimate MBs along with the few legitimate appraisers left in this business (who refuse to bow down to AMCs) will be taken out of the system. This will all be done in the name of keeping things "honest". Please.
 
I've talked to a few of my clients that welcome licensing, they see it as a way to weed out the scumbag originators. I think the CE alone would eliminate some LOs since they are barely literate.

As to maintaining relationships with clients, frankly, while not the only thing that matters to me, it's definitely at the top of the list. I'd hate to see years of work acquiring clients go down the drain.

TC


I can see some serious ca-ching here .... a few of us can pose as the MB and go take their tests for them ... SWEET ... a new line of work is headed to a continuing education school near you.

(you think it wont happen .... Id bet money on it)
 
I can see some serious ca-ching here .... a few of us can pose as the MB and go take their tests for them ... SWEET ... a new line of work is headed to a continuing education school near you.

(you think it wont happen .... Id bet money on it)

I'm having my mass mailer printed as I type. Great idea, thanks PE.
 
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