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[Terrel L. Shields]

Professional license revocations are one of many tools that a child support enforcement officer has access to as a means of trying to obtain compliance with a support order...but it is never the first action taken.

The only reason government wants to license people is to make sure they have a sword over their head to pay taxes and child support. The purpose of licensing is thus perverted.
Your scenario sounds good ... on paper, but facts are facts. I've heard of several people having to go to court over the inability of GOVERNMENT to do their job right. My church when it was built bought two parcels of land. Taxes had to be paid up to even have the transaction go thru. YET...without any notice whatsoever only 3 months later one half the property was sold on the courthouse steps for "back taxes" that did not exist. No notice, no nothing. A local lawyer told us that the property had sold and asked if we knew it. We didn't. It is tax exempt and was paid up when the transfer happened. We had to sue the buyer because the state, although the county attorney acknowledged their error, said they had NO WAY TO CORRECT that error. Somehow the deed for the parcel had ended up going to the auction list when, even if delinquent it would not have been sold until it was delinquent three full years.
Licensing should be abolished and AMCs, AVMs, etc. are sun setting the industry anyway.

 

[ucbruin]

The law applied to both DB dads and moms...and sixty year old men and women with no children. I know a fellow who spent the entirety of his state tax refund to get that tax refund after his son turned 18. Even with a letter from his ex that the boy was 18 and T didn't owe ANY child support, he had to drive 60 miles to the state district court with the boy's birth certificate and a sworn statement from his wife and appear before a judge to get it straight...then still wait weeks for the check.

Speaking from experience....at least in RI....
The parent paying support has to petition the court to approve ending support payments once the child reaches the age of majority.....

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

The parent paying support has to petition the court to approve ending support payments once the child reaches the age of majority.....

In this case, the state (OK) has the actual age of the child and the date of termination. They, in theory, terminate automatically. It took the judge about 2 minutes to "so order" the DHS to release the money. And again his tax return was delayed by weeks....I am still waiting on the state of Colorado to pay my refund of $44 that I filed for about 2010...

The damnest letter I ever got from the IRS said something to the effect that I "had not paid a quarterly payment according to the computer, but, oh, I see that that exact amount was credited on zzz, XX, 2016 so I will "fix" this and you don't need to respond to this letter." I took that letter to my CPA and instead of laughing out loud at it, she said, "Oh, we see this a couple times every year from someone..."

 

[ucbruin]

In this case, the state (OK) has the actual age of the child and the date of termination. They, in theory, terminate automatically. It took the judge about 2 minutes to "so order" the DHS to release the money. And again his tax return was delayed by weeks....I am still waiting on the state of Colorado to pay my refund of $44 that I filed for about 2010...

During the initial days of my divorce, my attorney told me, as a cautionary tale, once the courts become involved, I and even my soon to be ex, would lose some of our control as parents.....

In RI, they have similar guidelines as OK. But I still had to petition the court each and every time my children reached the age of majority to obtain legal approval from the court....

 

[ChasingRabbits]

The only reason government wants to license people is to make sure they have a sword over their head to pay taxes and child support. The purpose of licensing is thus perverted.
Your scenario sounds good ... on paper, but facts are facts. I've heard of several people having to go to court over the inability of GOVERNMENT to do their job right. My church when it was built bought two parcels of land. Taxes had to be paid up to even have the transaction go thru. YET...without any notice whatsoever only 3 months later one half the property was sold on the courthouse steps for "back taxes" that did not exist. No notice, no nothing. A local lawyer told us that the property had sold and asked if we knew it. We didn't. It is tax exempt and was paid up when the transfer happened. We had to sue the buyer because the state, although the county attorney acknowledged their error, said they had NO WAY TO CORRECT that error. Somehow the deed for the parcel had ended up going to the auction list when, even if delinquent it would not have been sold until it was delinquent three full years.
Licensing should be abolished and AMCs, AVMs, etc. are sun setting the industry anyway.

I don't doubt that anyone has had to go to court due to the actions of incompetent government workers. Incompetence was rampant where I worked. But on the issue of license revocation in particular, there was a process that had to be followed which included going through multiple levels of local and state offices, issuance of notice of hearing and an order to appear and show cause, which had to be served personally by a deputy sheriff...only then could a license revocation action be heard and ruled on by a judge. Regardless of how competent or incompetent a case worker may be, enforcement actions that rose above anything other than automatic income withholding require personal service of notice of hearing and order to show cause. If someone hasn't been served, the case can't be heard. I have very little faith in the system and have seen many ways in which it is deficient and unfair. On the other hand, I don't have much sympathy for folks who have been properly served with notice, fail to take any action in response or obtain legal counsel and then complain about the outcome. The legalities surrounding taxes are an entirely different set of rules.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

I don't have much sympathy for folks who have been properly served with notice, fail to take any action in response or obtain legal counsel and then complain about the outcome

Too true, but how do you make such huge mistakes like the two cases I mention above and further the only remedy is to start from scratch and go thru an expensive court process that the state itself failed to respect and apply? These should have been remedied without having to resort to a trial and judge. Administrative staff made the mistake and a simple letter and affidavit should have sufficed to reverse the decision and correct THEIR error.

 

[Riick]

Administrative staff made the mistake and a simple letter and
affidavit should have sufficed to reverse the decision and correct THEIR error.

Error? Error ??
What do you mean, ERROR ???
We don't *make* errors.
"We're from the Government, and we're here to HELP you."

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[sandpiperapp]

The original poster was complaining how an appraiser that had child support payment problems lost his license, for a non appraisal related issue, when other appraisers with serious appraisal issues, did not. Pointing to a system that lacks any credibility for enforcement. A problem many of us agree that lets the bad apples tarnish the rest of us.

I think it is funny that many of the posters here started complaining about government intrusion and how screwy the child support payment system is.

 

[ChasingRabbits]

Too true, but how do you make such huge mistakes like the two cases I mention above and further the only remedy is to start from scratch and go thru an expensive court process that the state itself failed to respect and apply? These should have been remedied without having to resort to a trial and judge. Administrative staff made the mistake and a simple letter and affidavit should have sufficed to reverse the decision and correct THEIR error.

I believe that they should correct the error. I know that during my time as a Child Support Officer, I inherited hundreds of cases (some of which had been worked on by employees that had been gone for a decade or more). When I found accounting errors, I did my best to try to fix them administratively, or by filing the necessary court action to amend them through order. However, I quickly clashed with the department head who was of the opinion that we weren't to do anything that wasn't at the request of the "client" or at the order of the court (and we certainly weren't to inform them)...even if we were in the wrong. I may have occasionally slipped some motions to amend into the attorney's stack of papers to file without letting the director know in order to fix some of those errors. And I'm certainly not an attorney and wouldn't give any legal advice to a defendant, but I may have placed a phone call every now and then to "check up" on a case and go over a scenario that sounded nearly identical to their case and muse for a bit about what I would do if I were in that position. But I think you are absolutely right, they should correct their error or, at a minimum, provide the guidance to correct it if they can't. But I believe that the folks who think that way are rare in bureaucracy, typically clash with the administration of those systems and don't last very long out of frustration.

 

[Terrel L. Shields]

When I found accounting errors, I did my best to try to fix them administratively

We were told flat out by the Atty. General of the state that our only remedy was court because there was no administrative process to fix it. The Land Commissioner should have never certified the sale. It took the judge 10 minutes to reverse the error over the objections of the leach who bought the church property at the tax sale for $25 or so. We offered him $500 to quit-claim it, he wanted $5000. We spent $1500 in court and leach-o got $0, not even his $25.