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Independent Appraisers GSE/Cuomo Proposal 3/19/08

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18. My employment and/or compensation for performing this appraisal or any future or anticipated appraisals was not conditioned on any agreement or understanding, written or otherwise, that I would report (or present analysis supporting) a predetermined specific value, a predetermined minimum value, a range or direction in value, a value that favors the cause of any party, or the attainment of a specific result or occurrence of a specific subsequent event (such as approval of a pending mortgage loan application).

And this time we mean it.
 
Im freaking tired of hearing about the S&L Bailout. The problems today are much worse than they were then. If you want to live in the past continue on .. but this is NOW and these things are affecting us NOW.
IF appraisers are not willing to stand up as a group and point out finger at the Lenders and say REGULATE THEM .... and these appraisers here who we are pointing fingers at .. these over here .. WE will take care of them.
Its a two tiered issue and the government should not be in control but should implement laws and regulations that we all must live by. They regulated our industry .. its time they did it with lenders.
 
What is your solution? You can't assume that enforcement will ever improve. Did it improve after the S&L bailout. The typical bureaucrat answer to everything is to slam the barn door shut after the horses have left. Then go look for new horses.
In principle I agree with you but there really is no practical way of achieving that goal that I can see given the circumstances. You speak of a free market but is it really a free market when investment bankers can make billions of dollars in bad loans and then when they get caught the Fed is there to bail them out? To me the real solution would be to let them fail and maybe next time they'd be more careful. That ain't going to happen.


Please read my proposal attached to comment #105
 
I've not met George in person, just know him by rep through this board, and a quote or 2 in the paper.
Never met Pam or Joyce Potts either, but I saw them on TV the other night. I'd vote with you all, even without reading most of the last 11 pages. :flowers:

The main thing bothered me much with this settlement thing was the staff appraisers can't do appraisals that will go to Fannie or Freddie. But not the end of the world. Brokers not being able to have input is a good plan. I guess we'll see what happens. :peace:

Nice quote George. I can tell you're a straight up kinda guy, and past the nobody stage. Catch a wave, man! I'll be found on the twisty back roads. Kindly pull right for a half second and let me by. :)

I think that George, Pam, Joyce and the others are most likely very ethical and competent and are trying very hard to find a solution to the problem....its just that I cannot agree with their solution as presently constructed. I do hope, that through my input and the input of others, a better solution can be found.

How can someone possibly express support for a proposal that they admit that they have not even read "most of the last 11 pages".....simply amazing to me.
 
I think that George, Pam, Joyce and the others are most likely very ethical and competent and are trying very hard to find a solution to the problem....its just that I cannot agree with their solution as presently constructed. I do hope, that through my input and the input of others, a better solution can be found.

How can someone possibly express support for a proposal that they admit that they have not even read "most of the last 11 pages".....simply amazing to me.


To many Tim its just a job. Nothing more .. just tell me where I go to work tomorrow and I will show up. To those of us who realize this is a business we also realize words have consequences. Its the consequences I worry about most.
 
It only seems like it's worse because it's happening now. Believe me, it was a big deal then. Front page news for a year and a half.

Im freaking tired of hearing about the S&L Bailout. The problems today are much worse than they were then. If you want to live in the past continue on .. but this is NOW and these things are affecting us NOW.
IF appraisers are not willing to stand up as a group and point out finger at the Lenders and say REGULATE THEM .... and these appraisers here who we are pointing fingers at .. these over here .. WE will take care of them.
Its a two tiered issue and the government should not be in control but should implement laws and regulations that we all must live by. They regulated our industry .. its time they did it with lenders.
 
Someone says Regulate the Lenders
-- H*ll there are already lots of regulations on Lenders, they skirt them,
ignore them, give them lip service, or obey them, depending on what they
can get away with.

Someone else says Unfair: Competition from less competent newbies.
-- And when pray tell was it any different?

Most everyone screams Who sets the Fees?! What will they be?
The only thing certain is they'll certainly be better than the AMCs are
paying, since this is set-up as a Co-Op, not a profit making enterprise.

Key to me is that this plan, as it's written, finally puts enforcement
in the hands of appraisers, and not in the hands of either the lackeys
of the Lenders, nor (finally) in the hands of State Boards which are
undermanned, underpaid, under trained, and underfunded for the job
they are supposed to do.

I say enforcement is in the hands of the appraisers, because if the IVPI
sends a complaint to the State Boards and they continue to take
2 years to investigate a complaint, and another year to set a date for a
hearing << typical for Pennsylvania, unless something changed >>
the IVPI would have enough political clout to scream to the individual
State, and to the GSEs and get something done about funding enforcement.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" --- "Who guards the guardians"
We need someone to look over the guards shoulders and see they
doing their jobs, and the IVPI is the one who will do that.
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Methinks there's a lot of hurt feelings, some thought they were in a clique but aren't. George, Pam and...well I forget the others, submited a proposal. If you don't like it you still have time to round up the cats and submit your own. You won't be alone, I'll bet every AMC (heck Zaio already brown nosed Coumo) has either submited something or will.

I kinda enjoy watching newbies and people who've been registered for years with nary a post getting bent out of shape. Everything was fine for them until the Fannie/Freddie announcement. Oh well, that's life in the big city.
 
Someone says Regulate the Lenders
-- H*ll there are already lots of regulations on Lenders, they skirt them,
ignore them, give them lip service, or obey them, depending on what they
can get away with.

Just because regulations have not been enforced in the past does not mean that new and better regulations cannot be drafted and actually enforced.

Someone else says Unfair: Competition from less competent newbies.
-- And when pray tell was it any different?

Right now Newbies at least have to go out and round up some clients, if they are able to do so, then that is fine, I have no problem with open competition....but why should they just be given something that they do not have to do any work to obtain?

Most everyone screams Who sets the Fees?! What will they be?
The only thing certain is they'll certainly be better than the AMCs are
paying, since this is set-up as a Co-Op, not a profit making enterprise.

Really? and how exactly do you know this? Maybe Fannie Mae and the lenders will tell the Co-op that the fee will be $200 period if you want us to use your system exclusively...who knows? Maybe the Co-op, having no profit motive, will be run very inefficiently and have to take a piece of the appriaiser's fee to stay afloat ( do you think that running this huge system which includes reviewing 10% of appraisals will be inexpensive?) Anyhow, that's not the point...I do not care what the AMC's pay, because I do not work for AMC's, I only care if the Co-op is willing to pay my going fee. It is simply un-American for an entity to be able to dictate fees for an entire industry.

Key to me is that this plan, as it's written, finally puts enforcement
in the hands of appraisers, and not in the hands of either the lackeys
of the Lenders, nor (finally) in the hands of State Boards which are
undermanned, underpaid, under trained, and underfunded for the job
they are supposed to do.

I say enforcement is in the hands of the appraisers, because if the IVPI
sends a complaint to the State Boards and they continue to take
2 years to investigate a complaint, and another year to set a date for a
hearing << typical for Pennsylvania, unless something changed >>
the IVPI would have enough political clout to scream to the individual
State, and to the GSEs and get something done about funding enforcement.

Is that right? What is the IVPI going to do about it when the PA state board essentially tells the IVPI to shove it? The IVPI is not an elected or political entity. What do you think will happen if the IVPI starts referring a large number of complaints to the state boards...my guess is that the state boards are evn going to get slower in resolving the complaints, since most of them cannot even handle the complaints they have now. Besides a slow resolution will not have any affect on the IVPI, because the IVPI is going to suspend the appraiser before the state board acts....thus, why would the IVPI even care? Additionally, who is to say that appraisers will do any better at enforcement than anyone else. Frankly, from some of the comments and ridiculous questions that I read on these boards everyday, I find it quite frightening that some of the people (but not all) on this board may have any say over enforcement.

"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes" --- "Who guards the guardians"
We need someone to look over the guards shoulders and see they
doing their jobs, and the IVPI is the one who will do that.

Your analogy here is incorrect in that under the proposal, the IVPI will acting as the guards and the question is who will be looking over the IVPI's shoulder?
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But it is a great system for those who do not mind someone else determining how much business you can do and how much money that you are entitled to make without any regard to whether or not you provide a better product and/or better service than anyone else as long as your reports are able to barely meet the minimal USPAP and service requirements needed to stay on the approved list. Under this system, one would be an idiot to do anything more than meet the bare minimum requirements in terms of quality and service. This system will do nothing else than encourage mediocrity (which I will admit may be an improvement over some of the appraisal work currently being done).
 
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I appreciate all the hard work that has gone into this proposal by all the people involved. It took a tremendous effort onthe part of everybody who contributed. I mean this very sincerely.
I would like to make an observation. Reading the proposal, it very much reads like a business plan for an appraisal co-op. I would like to suggest that his plan be offered to lenders and mortgage brokers as an alternative to AMCs instead of Cuomo.
Most of us are afraid/aware that the proposals that are currently in place will advance the AMC as the only viable solution for appraisal ordering. This will be to the detriment of the profession. Presenting a solution that will emphasize quality to ethical lenders (and there are many)(a few) might succeed. Membership in such a co-op should be limited to thoroughly vetted appraisers. This might succeed as the emphasis on quality seems to be on the increase.
Secondly, I would like to propose that the ASB/AQB/AF come out with a list of violations and their punishments. State boards vary widely first of all in their interpretation of USPAP but even more so in the discipline they impose.
I would like to suggest that any deliberate/intentional violation of USPAP would cause a license revocation. Any deliberate violation of the appraisal process shoul be cause for revocation and fines.
Errors caused by typos, accidentally adjusting the wrong way, calling and EA an HC, transposition of numbers etc.. should be treated as a necessity for continuing ed.
Enforcement of the current rules and regulations will weed out skippies far faster and much more thoroughly than a new bureaucracy.
The idea of a 10% review of appraisals for GSEs is good but will not accomplish a thing with out follow up and strict discipline.
my $.02 worth
 
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