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Independent Appraisers GSE/Cuomo Proposal 3/19/08

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I like this proposal, it might not be perfect, but it is a huge step forward from where we are now.

There are numerous posts where appraisers are upset that this may hurt their business and they will lose their hard earned "good" clients. This proposal may do that and some of your hard work will be wasted, that is unfortunate.

If your clients were in the majority, then this profession would not be in the mess it is today. Unfortunately your clients are the minority. There are many more appraisers, like yourself, competent and ethical that have tried their hardest, but have lost out to "skippy". There just aren't enough "good" clients to go around.

This proposal will help to level the playing field. We think we are independent, we are not, we are a team and when someone on the team commits a foul, the whole team is punished. Now is the chance for a big "score" some of us will get more from it then others, but overall we all win.
 
Exactly my thoughts, 5000 people showed up to bit*h, Where was your proposal? Where was your input?
I'll tell ya' what happened. All was fine in Munchkinland, orders were rolling in, the streets were paved in gold and the Munchkins were a happy bunch. But that was make believe. In reality the Munchkins were a bunch of mean drunk midgets, hooligans by all accounts.

In the past reform was make believe. It was nice to come here, b!tching and complaining about pressure and scum bag LOs, wanting someone to do something. But we all knew we couldn't get anything done. Now we have reality. The true powers that be, Fannie/Freddie, have put forth a decree, and the little people were left out. Some have chosen to be obstructionists, blocking any and every plan seeking perfection. Some realize perfection is make believe and see the plan is a done deal but hope to make it palatable. Now those streets of gold don't look so good to some.

If you're not interested O'well, go think of something else, show a plan, and quit bit*hing
There is a plan. All they have to do is cut and paste a few of their posts and send it in. No one said they have to have support behind them.
 
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I do not write as much as some, but I do salute everyone involved with these new proposals. Thank you.
 
George, and Beth, too as I think this may answer the question she posed:

Brad,

The number of reviews at the 10% level would be huge, if there are 7.5 million loans going though the system that equates to 750,000 reviews per year or 62,500 per month.

I think the concern you are expressing is how would that be possible (yes)?

It is accomplished by using Review Staff and Review Panel Members. It should keep everyone busy.

Or are you asking about the cost?
If the GSEs need to have 10% of appraisals reviewed then that is a cost they will have to pay.

Or are you considering the need for some type of automated (AVM or Zaio) type review?
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OK- thanks. Now here is the reason I asked.

In my view we collectively can either ignore realities and simply go after Nirvana with this or we can consider realities. In a perfect world, all appraisers would/could be equal in ability, education, customer service, etc. and then each and every one would get orders in a simple rotational fashion like VA, get paid full fee in advance, etc. But I actually live in the real world and know, as I hope you do as well, that real life will inject itself into this.

So, please allow me to focus on the real life stuff here. If a proposal would not work in real life, then real people will not adopt that concept. Now, let's look at the numbers and the effects this would have. We'll start with your numbers.

750,000 field reviews out of 7,500,000 appraisal for QC (10%).

If we then assume a fee of $350 each (because the fee ought to be similar to a regular appraisal fee given the time needed to get it right), using your raw number of reviews, the cost would be $21,875,000 per year.

Now the agreement for the IVPI provides for a 5 year period with varying funding amounts per year but I think the max is $5 million (fi memory serves).

So, I am wondering how this enormous square peg of $21 million plus can fit into that much smaller round hole of $3-5 million per year.

Now- my calculations (based upon my bank's market share and volume) indicates the real overall number is more like half of what you project. But, that is still nearly $12 million per year. I won't even bring up the admininstrative costs, etc. that will eat up a huge chunk of those funds.

Let's talk a bit about the consumer here as well. This 10% proposal increases the cost to the consumer by 10% if we ask them to pay for it. So, even if it is passed along to the consumer so the IVPI can operate as they seemed to intend, that then flies directly in the face of the policies of both major GSEs to reduce the cost of borrowing. They have stated that publicly over many years.

Next, how about the state boards- already typically seriously underfunded. Since the IVPI cannot impose legal sanctions, it must be left to the states-and this is envisioned in the settlement proposal. If only 20% of the appraisals are bad enough for such referrals, we'd be adding 6-7,000 cases per year to their workloads. Please name me a state who could handle 10% of that volume given their budgets (and that would mean only 2% of all reviews rose to the referral stage). I cannot think of any.

And, for the record, I am not advocating using AVMs or Zaio here. But AVMs, BPOs, etc. are also cited in the AG/GSE proposal. That was them- not me.

So, here we have Fannie and Freddie who, almost assuredly, were dragged kicking and screaming to the settlement table and agreeing to $24 million over 5 years and now you want to add over $10 million- PER YEAR- to that amount.

Gosh, I hope you see where I am going with this. So, while I do commend your committee efforts, what I see is tons more work to do if you want to make it at all palatable to those whose checkbooks will be tapped so heavily.

THAT is why I do not think it will work in its current configuration.

But I do wish you all luck with this.

Brad
 
Check and see how much the Cuomo proposal actually impacts your business.

Local banks, hard money lenders, credits unions, FHA, VA, Rural Housing, other HUD programs are not affected. It is less than 15% of my business. If the plan took affect, I doubt it would be much different than the VA fee panel or our old FHA Chums number.

I have read the IVPI Proposal twice not counting the first time when I skimmed through it; I support the ideas and rationale but not all of the implementation.

Also have read all of these comments, something does not feel right here and I sincerely hope it is addressed on the forum -- not off the forum in personal e-mails or on the telephone.
 
750,000 field reviews out of 7,500,000 appraisal for QC (10%).

If we then assume a fee of $350 each (because the fee ought to be similar to a regular appraisal fee given the time needed to get it right), using your raw number of reviews, the cost would be $21,875,000 per year.

Now the agreement for the IVPI provides for a 5 year period with varying funding amounts per year but I think the max is $5 million (fi memory serves).


THAT is why I do not think it will work in its current configuration.

But I do wish you all luck with this.

Brad

Brad, Two Points;

Last year the CEO of country wide personally made $140+ Million dollars(something like that).

Dont cry to me or anyone else about cost. The mortgage losses are in the tens of billions of dollars because of crooked lenders.

secondly,

You are raising minutia points in an attempt to obscure the much larger picture. So Frankly, I dont care what you think will work or not work.

So go make your comments to Mr Cuomo, Fannie Mae and Freddie and anyone else you think of because thats what thousands of us(appraisers) are doing right now!

Good luck and God speed! Change you can believe in is occuring wether you like it or not!
 
I'm a little surprised at some of the comments in regards to dissenting opinions on the proposal. Constructive criticism is good, questions are good, debate is good. I appreciate the work that has gone into this. Kudos to those who put the proposal together and thanks to those who take the time to put together well thought out posts with questions and concerns that I'm sure we all have. I have many of the same questions and concerns that Tim and others have posted and look forward to the answers. As a relative newbie here, I really don't have any sense of who you guys are, (other than George, thanks!), and I don't really have the luxury of going through everyones 5000+ posts to figure it out, so some sort of resume or introduction would be great. Before I vote for anyone or anything, I'd like to know something about them. I'm sure there are others in the same boat. :)

I also wish the document had been posted here for a short review and comment period. Making major changes to an already submitted document just doesn't work well in practice and there would be some changes necessary to garner my support. I doubt a few days delay in delivery would have made any difference in the impact, and as the volume of comments shows, there was strong interest in the topic.
 
Brad,

I may be mistaken, but I don't remember talking about the 10% consisting entirely of field reviews. Obviously some would end up that way but hopefully that would be a small minority. We would anticipate there would be more problems in the beginning, but hopefully we'd get to a point of stabilization; a "maintenance" level, if you will.

I mean, if a slacker works their way off the list and the work they were doing gets redistributed among the other appraisers, that's at least 5 fewer field reviews in the first week after their departure. Alternately, if that slacker cleans up their act it still works out to far fewer field reviews as time passes.

Key to a review panel's effectiveness is the willingness to draw the line and hold that line. Even a lending institution can have a tough time with that because of their company's need to compete in the marketplace. It's hard for some lenders to cut off a known idiot because first they have to be able to build a case that relies on more than one or two appraisals, and next they have to consider the very real possibility that the LO will take their business down the street to a more "friendly" lender.

Regardless, your point about the volumes involved and the costs it would take are something that can't be ignored. OTOH, a single foreclosure in the SoCal region is costing the noteholders, and those losses start at about $100,000 and go up from there. If you want to talk about costs, I'd say that the cumulative total of the 4,400 foreclosures we currently have on the books in San Diego County right now more than justifies the expense of paying all 1,600 licensed/certified appraisers a couple times over.
 
Brad,

Thanks for that estimate and I don't doubt it's general accuracy, and that does not even include administrative costs.

However, it makes me wonder how much banks already spend on due diligence in quality control. And I wonder if the amount they already spend is justifiable (too much or too little) in light of the quality-abuse issues that appear to be rampant.

I know lenders will fight this and I know they will use the cost of any mandate as an argument against it. But the real factor that will add zeal to their fight is that they do not want to give up their iron grip on appraisers; defeating their independence. They have many more valuable interests in keeping the status quo than just the costs you describe.

Their payoff in defeating the banking laws and regs regarding appraiser independence has been much greater than their costs to comply with those laws would be. IMO, that is where their zeal to fight will lie, even if they claim it is in the cost of implementation.

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To all,

As posters consider these agreements and proposals, don't forget who the real opposers will be. It won't be the GSEs, it will be the lenders, MBs, AMCs, and realtors. All of the ones who profit from pressuring appraisers.

It is so important not to limit your comments just to the parties to the settlement agreement. The federal agencies that regulate the banks, congress, the white house, the US AG. Let them all know that you don't want any more lip service or loopholes regarding appraiser independence.

Take another look at all the links Mike Kennedy posted. Spread the word.
 
My two cents on the percent of loans to have review appraisals.

First, the sample reviews should be directed at the most risky loans, not the low LTV, low DTI, etc. You would bias you sample selection toward risky loans. A flat percentage of 10% of the total loans going to review guarantees nothing.

If the GSEs are buying more risky loans, then there is a higher cost to do those loans and it should be reflected in the loan LTV and interest rates and points as well as the cost of review and appraisal.

I will bet that the problem appraisals are involved more with high risk borrowers requiring higher dependency on asset value. Therefore the pressure to cheat on the appraisal, on the mortgage documentation and on due diligence.

Sampling can be reduced based upon the results of the statistics showing compliance. Sampling can be increased when sampling detects a problem. Sampling should be geared to a thresold or probability of detecting a defect. A sampling plan can be developed to give a confidence interval. In quality assurance speak, it is known as an operating characteristics curve of a sample size. You can configure it to detect, say a 1% problem 90% of the time or whatever you want.

The idea is to catch the problem real time and stomp on the cause immediately, even to shut down buying loans from a lender when a threshold has been breeched. A procedure can be worked out to restart buying once the cause of the problem has been addressed.

I am surprised that the GSEs don't do this already.
 
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