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Doug -

Have any more meth homes in Perris exploded recently? There was one newer tract home that blew up last year in May Ranch - definitely not what I would want to have happen in my neighborhood.
 
I hope the link holds up. Basically a realtor.com search showing 253 listings under $5,000.... and thats the listing price. I did one the other day that had a year or 2 old sale for about $90,000. Comps were $500,$500,$1,000 (unadjusted sales prices) and 3 listings under $4,000, with one of them stating they were willing to quit claim the property.
 
Dollar houses are ones that should be viewed very, very carefully; Liens/Taxes/ Lack of permits

and last but Not least, during the last go round, some ****ed off folk, buried gas & oil drums underground.

DO NOT FORGET THE BASICS AT ALL !!!!!!!!!!


This is way more than anyone expected and we're only partially thru this mess (actually I think the begining stages) - we have a long way to go. Regulations are changing monthly and will reak havoc with this market and could make it worse.
 
And I dont believe any of them. But I will call tomorrow and find out.


Heh.

I already checked the MLS on the new builds and that is somewhat misleading, they are going up for auction. I actually did not look at the individual listings before I posted the link. I just knew there was a metric buttload of properties that nobody wants.
 
Heh.

I already checked the MLS on the new builds and that is somewhat misleading, they are going up for auction. I actually did not look at the individual listings before I posted the link. I just knew there was a metric buttload of properties that nobody wants.


I figured it was a Realtor lie to entice people to call. Im going to call anyway and tell them Im offering $5 on one of them and see what they say.
 
Be carefull, They might take it :rof:

Its in an area that was having a hard time reaching gentrification staus due to gangs and somewhat random murders but if it still has its plumbing you may be able to get some positive cash flow.
 
This is the worst one I've seen yet.


1) 1618 Arborella Ct, Perris, California

Condo, 1573 sqft sold 9/14/2007 for $336,000. Builder sale.

2) 3367 Night Bloom Lane, Perris

REO Re-sale,condo, model match, same complex.

sold 4/11/2008 for $142,800. Another pending in the same
complex supports that sales price.

7 month decline equal 57.5%.

8.2 % decline monthly

Can't go by builder sales.

I had one that was a builder sale for $299,900 and the sales office gave me 5 comps that all sold at about the same price closed within a few weeks. I got the HUD on a couple, the prices checked out with the clerk of the court and the mortgage indentures recorded with the clerk showed the same client I was working with, but a different appraiser must have done the jobs (or perhaps the dreaded AVM). This is in an upscale area where there is a lot of new construction. I think the AVMs might be skewed very easily.

I search the market and visited the sales office for the sister project 1/4 mile away but owned by a different developer. They are selling the same model for $110,000. Hmmmm. I look at my listings in the subject subdivision and I have one that is listed at $312,900 (builder listing it turned out) and the others are listed in the $115,000 range.

The builder, while I was on site, told me which projects to use in order to appraise the unit correctly. I looked at those projects that sure enough they sold for $265,000 to $325,000, similar to the subject, but they were all conversion developer sales.

The way that figures, those other sales that closed two or three weeks earlier for $299,900 lost 63% of their value in 21 days, that's a rate of decline of 1104% a year.

I am doing another one now, too. Different project but same area. This time I am the second appraiser. Turns out the first appraiser killed the deal and the sales rep sent me all the information and told me how the other appraiser was stubborn and insisted on using the short sales listed in the project (there are 27 of them ranging from $70,000 to $170,000, 17 of which are the subject model type ranging from $109,900 to $144,000). Sale price through the builder? $215,000!!! They closed about 10 of them in the past 2 months at that price or HIGHER. The short sales at $140,000 have been on the market 4 months and longer. One resale is offered at $109,900 and another is priced with the builder sales at $220,000, but that one is also up for rent.

It is troubling to me that these projects are closing out units, with financing, for the $200,000 to $300,000 range when there ain't no way they are worth it. I am dumbfounded that there are appraisers out there just willing to bring them in too. I do hope they were financed on AVMs.

Interesting fact, when the project first opened in July of 2006 the units were selling around $185,000. The market has declined between 18 and 35% since then, depending on how you choose to read it, but somehow in this project the prices have shot up to the $210,000 to $240,000 range.
 
^^^^ JIM
I have never seen Buyers who are that stupid {they would have had to study breathing} so have to ask:
How large are the under-the-table kickbacks from Builder to Buyer?
 
^^^^ JIM
I have never seen Buyers who are that stupid {they would have had to study breathing} so have to ask:
How large are the under-the-table kickbacks from Builder to Buyer?

In the last one, for $299,900, they were kickbacks from builder to selling agent at about 10% plus 3% commission. One agent, I found out, brought in a group of buyers.

In this other situation, I am not sure what is going on.

We are in a tourist area though, and the projects are also nearby to a major university, several major hospitals and the like. People come from all around, and some sales offices gather up pocket investors too, spending lots of money advertising to people in Miami, NYC, NJ, etc. It is tricky to find out what it possibly could be because, of course, no one wants to tip their hand. Some cases may be straw-buyers because the developer needs to move money around to make payments. I've run into that before too, and almost didn't catch it. It can get pretty sophisticated.
 
They need to study breathing where I live. This is a really good topic that newbie buyers should be reading, yet they never will.

There are a slew of higher end buyers who just assume they are getting a good deal from the builders. They listen to the media to not buy homes which are dropping in value. Their next option is to go buy a new SFR which has never dropped in value!!! It's an ego booster.

Of course that is just dumb, yet these buyers are being sold on new, especially with the oversupply of builders. They just assume they are making a good solid investment on a new construction in the current downturn.

We have a few newer subdivisions that are selling above market value as new construction through the sales offices, when compared to the very similar resales. The builder's marketing tactics are selling big to the misinformed buyers. Granite, wow!! Travertine, wow!!! Marble, wow!!! Where can I sign?? It seems to be more in the middle to higher end brackets due to qualified financing. The ignorance blows me away. :nono:
 
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