Market conditions

[timd354]

Sid, I am not going to lay into you personally like some of the other people on this forum, but I will say that your request for free data from appraisers is pretty typical of lenders and other users of appraisals who seem to expect appraisers to work free of charge or for ridiculously low fees. I would suggest that if you need data for a certain area, then you should either pay for access to the appropriate database(s) or be willing to pay an appraiser or other expert in that market area for his time and expertise. I am sure that you do not work for free, so why would you expect an appraiser to work for free?

 

[c w d]

I am sure that you do not work for free, so why would you expect an appraiser to work for free?

Oh I can guarantee you Sid doesn't work for free. Hell, he's not even an appraiser according to the Florida DBPR. And everyone knows appraisers are all too eager to shell out their knowledge for free. Considering our commodity is knowledge I have nothing left to sell and expect to be paid for it. I know I came across poorly in this thread but, I will not apologize for anything that I have said here.

 

[Webbed Feet]

<...... snip.....> We should be professional with one another, which means helping when asked for or otherwise holding our collective tongues.

Ms. Matthews,

Again, I have a different take. We should be professional with each other, which means acknowledging the expenses and expertise of others by offering to pay for services versus asking for a gimme when not here to learn anything.

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[Webbed Feet]

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Many times on the forum, or through emails, the tone comes across much different than the writer intended, and this most likely is one of those times. I always enjoyed reading your post and I think you would agree with the position many are taking here after thinking about it.

TJ,

I did not find Mr. Pachter's "tone" disturbing at all. It was straightforward, he said thanks. So I had no problem there. My problem is that none of us, even for a technical review, should be taking on work that demands we have access to data we don't have. Lack of appropriate access to required data = incompetency in my State. I do not mean Mr. Pachter is, or was, incompetent as he may have not really needed the data but wanted a sanity check. However, this means he was going beyond a technical review. But even for just a technical review I personally don't see how anyone can do a good job without access to the appropriate data. This leaves only an administrative review process possible.

Finally, his post had nothing to do with theory or practices in appraising. It was asking for data and opinions regarding a specific location. Unless one already has a collaborative working relationship with another specific appraiser, I think the right thing to do in such a case is to offer to renumerate the person (people) for the use of their resources and opinions.

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[Webbed Feet]

It's a dirty trick and poor forum manners (I couldn't remeber how to spell etiquette because I have none).

Mr. Boyd,

I think I agree with you. If a person doesn't want to get PM's then turn the feature off. I have mine on so people can curse me if they wish privately, compliment me privately, or whatever. I agree, bad form to turn around and post a copy of it.

But then I believe many people take this "if you don't have anything positive to say" thing too far. Most of it comes down to having to ask in whose opinion is something positive or not? Just because a few don't like something that was said doesn't mean many others did not positively learn something from it.



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[Lost Cause]

It Depends

It's a dirty trick and poor forum manners (I couldn't remeber how to spell etiquette because I have none).

I would agree with you in general, but in this case, I have no problem. It's one thing if the communication is civil, and another thing when it is not.

 

[josephdifranco]

Isn't this like a pencil search? What would you call this? A market conditions pencil search?

I have a suggestion: Pay for someone to analyze the market for the next 2 hours or do your own digging.

I don't think what Sid asked for is so ridiculous. A local expert might know that information off the back of his/her hand. The firm I work for at times relies on data from another appraisal firm, and no dollars are exchanged. We try to help them out from time to time as well. Similar to what goes on every day on this forum. But suddenly, he is asking for a pencil search? Never heard him ask for a value opinion.

Later on another poster is correcting his grammar. I don't think these responses are in the spirit of this website.

Just keep silent if you don't want to give your information away, why was an attack necessary? This goes for repeat questions too, the search function can be tedious. If you are tired of answering the same question, guess what? Don't answer!

 

[c w d]

I don't think what Sid asked for is so ridiculous. A local expert might know that information off the back of his/her hand. The firm I work for at times relies on data from another appraisal firm, and no dollars are exchanged. We try to help them out from time to time as well. Similar to what goes on every day on this forum. But suddenly, he is asking for a pencil search? Never heard him ask for a value opinion.

Later on another poster is correcting his grammar. I don't think these responses are in the spirit of this website.

Just keep silent if you don't want to give your information away, why was an attack necessary? This goes for repeat questions too, the search function can be tedious. If you are tired of answering the same question, guess what? Don't answer!

Was my original post an attack? I didn't think so. No, I didn't go on the offensive until I was cursed.

You'll also note that Sid is not listed on the forum as an appraiser. Under his name found in his post it says "Professional status: Banking/Mortgage Industry". If he was listed as an appraiser then I most likely would not have said anything. But, his "Professional status" is "Banking/Mortgage Industry". Since he is located in Florida according to his information listed on this website a quick search of the DBPR indicates he is not even an appraiser. The status for his license is "trainee current,inactive". I seriously doubt he's doing appraisal work. And the last thing I want to hear on the appraiser's forum are requests from the mortgage industry for free data. I get to hear it ten times a day through as many phone calls that are a waste of my time. Because no matter if I give the data willingly or refuse to give the data at all the result is the same. I don't make a dime. And any work I eek out of the conversation is caveatted with a value requirement I can't meet because people refuse to recognize, accept and report declining markets. One would have thought that if Sid is an appraiser he would have indicated that either by noting it in his post or by editting his profile. But, he did not. Face it. He's a mortgage broker or loan officer. He's been in the field of appraising for 15 years but he's only a trainee with an inactive license? Right. And he does 20 loans a month in your area ready to send them to you and the check is always in the mail.