McKissock dumps PAREA

[J Grant]

I never worked for McKissock. And when I refer to pitching to convert the skeptics in the back row that is not an expression of condescension, but one of working in good faith as an instructor. If you put any thought into it you would realize that an instructor is supposed to be working for converts, not preaching to the choir as such.

And FYI, I don't recall the female course participants ever sitting on the back row and waiving their non-verbals at me before. It was always guys sitting back there and cracking wise about how things are done in the real world. The females would mostly sit in the front 2 rows and take things seriously. Or at least not in the hostile manner.

George, there all those females took up seats in the first 2 rows because they wanted to be close to you!

 

[djd09]

i used to sit in the back of the class...and laugh and laugh and laugh

 

[Elliott]

....Yes, we women are front 1 rows, by the doughnuts and more importantly THE COFFEE, and goes without saying, the bathrooms.

In college I was usually front row center, so I would stay awake. But for the last 20+ years of CE and Seminars I switched to back row so I could get up, walk around, and the coffee and doughnuts were usually in the back. Then I switched to on-line because there was ALWAYS one appraiser in a live class who would ask multiple inane questions and thought he was the god's gift to appraising, kinda like it is here.

 

[TC]

It was always guys sitting back there and cracking wise about how things are done in the real world.

I would usually sit in the back row but kept my mouth shut. I sit in the back row now to be closer to the men's room.

 

[George Hatch]

In college I was usually front row center, so I would stay awake. But for the last 20+ years of CE and Seminars I switched to back row so I could get up, walk around, and the coffee and doughnuts were usually in the back. Then I switched to on-line because there was ALWAYS one appraiser in a live class who would ask multiple inane questions and thought he was the god's gift to appraising, kinda like it is here.

If I'm taking a course with live instruction I usually take notes - not to remember, but to avoid getting drowsy.

Managing a room full of appraisers is an interesting proposition right from the outset. As a group appraisers have no respect for status or credentials or even reputations, so angling for any of that is a non-starter. Nobody tells an appraiser what to think, especially when considering that sometimes the opposing viewpoint is right; or at least partially right. I think the most effective approach with appraisers is to try to sell the utility of the material to their own interests and their own day-to-day. Mostly carrot, little/no stick.

As for "the one guy", one approach I used a lot was to let the other course participants apply the pressure via the open discussion interaction. If an instructor is lecturing or reading everything out of a book that doesn't leave any room for the interaction, whereas when people get a little more involved they become a lot less patient with being abused by other course participants.

Some tangents have a lot more utility to the group than others, so it's not at all bad for people to add to the discussion and do some back-n-forth between each other. I did have one experience where 2 appraisers were arguing a point and it got personal so the one threatened to fight the other. From that point on I made it a point to emphasize that people are welcome to say what they want to say to me but that we needed them to treat each other with some respect and decorum.

 

[Tiffany Gibbons]

Even though PAREA hit a bump in the road with McKissock, this slightly dated article says it all with the mindset of where appraising is going.

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I got to "David Buntyn, president of TAF, expressed his appreciation", and could not continue reading the article. How come no PAREA path to CG, they don't want minorities earning the "big bucks"?

 

[djd09]

I got to "David Buntyn, president of TAF, expressed his appreciation", and could not continue reading the article. How come no PAREA path to CG, they don't want minorities earning the "big bucks"?

is that old white man even licensed?

 

[Tiffany Gibbons]

We always provided the coffee and pastries (that's one reason why the break-even was 10 heads).

I always ran 55 minutes in session + 5 min for breaks every hour. More breaks but shorter in duration. I didn't mess around with extended breaks or wasting time on unrelated war stories, either. If someone is basically being forced to pay for 7 or 8 hours of credit then they deserve what they're paying for; plus whatever value-added content I could squeeze in there.

Plus, my style of instructing a CE class among my peers is to respect the room and encourage as much interaction as possible. Less lecture, more discussion based on the common experience. I'm trying to connect the dots between the course content and their day-to-day. I want to interact based on their interests and viewpoints, within the constraints of the course content itself, of course. That's one reason I tried to draw in the guys on the back row - to elicit the opposing viewpoints for discussion and consideration. If I couldn't get them to bite then I had to do the devil's advocate thing and bring it up myself because I was dependent on airing out both sides of these controversies.

I was putting way too much energy into the instruction to sustain it at that level on a full time basis. Best for me as a part time gig. McKissock's program at the time was for instructors to teach 3 days in a row, in various locations. It's an effective program that works for them but I wouldn't have fit into it.

War stories are sometimes necessary for examples. And solidarity.

 

[George Hatch]

War stories that relate to the topic at hand serve to connect the dots between talk and action are very valuable. I always tried to refer to the common experience as a means of connecting those dots. OTOH, war stories which veer too far away from the topic at hand are counterproductive. There's nothing subtle about an instructor trying to run the clock because they have nothing of value to add to the session beyond reading aloud the text of the book. They don't gain any credibility points by treating their peers like they're too stupid to see what's going on.

As for appraiser solidarity.......... this place functions as the Serengeti where dumb ideas get taken down after a short pursuit. Not like a group hug where anyone takes seriously the prospect of "my truth" because it's important to be nice.

Most appraisers tend to work alone precisely because they don't work well with others.

 

[Tiffany Gibbons]

is that old white man even licensed?

Licensed to ill maybe