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More AMC and PDC Bull

Ah, another day, another attempt at tone policing. Typical

If by "supporting the appraiser's position" you are preferring that I engage or condone or agree with the untruths and fallacies and illogic of some of these talking points then I'm not doing that and neither should you. As far as I'm concerned, YOU should be apologizing for the errors you make.

I might engage in an unconditional relationship with my wife in exchange for her favors, but I don't have that kind of relationship with my peers. I'm not lying for them because IMO doing so is counterproductive to the long term interests of the profession as a whole, of which the SFR fee appraisers are but a subset.
Please explain, in detail, any "lies" that you believe I have told in these posts.

I will give you credit for the times you support the position of appraisers on these issues. I am, btw, very realistic about the futility of fighting a system where one side has enormous resources and power, and the others are a low-resource, beleaguered profession, which is why I spent down so much of my savings and spent years regaining work out of the AMC loop. I have done work though for AMC in the past for res lending, so I have experienced the issue firsthand and lived through the impact on res appraisers of the HVCC, which overnight stripped appraisers of their former clients wh floced to the AMC's because the free of cost service to them was a great deal. You did not have the direct experience of that, so your points in these posts are more academic.

If the free market were to see lenders make the same choices to use the AMC's if the lenders had to pay a cost for it, then why are the AMC's so loath to see it happen?
 
Well, 20-25 years ago.
 
Please explain, in detail, any "lies" that you believe I have told in these posts.

I will give you credit for the times you support the position of appraisers on these issues. I am, btw, very realistic about the futility of fighting a system where one side has enormous resources and power, and the others are a low-resource, beleaguered profession, which is why I spent down so much of my savings and spent years regaining work out of the AMC loop. I have done work though for AMC in the past for res lending, so I have experienced the issue firsthand and lived through the impact on res appraisers of the HVCC, which overnight stripped appraisers of their former clients wh floced to the AMC's because the free of cost service to them was a great deal. You did not have the direct experience of that, so your points in these posts are more academic.

If the free market were to see lenders make the same choices to use the AMC's if the lenders had to pay a cost for it, then why are the AMC's so loath to see it happen?
You keep attributing to the AMCs the conduct of the lenders who weighed their various alternatives among the other AMCs as well as the choice of ditching the AMC to go commando. That's a big untruth right there and it isn't productive to what you want to see happen.

The AMCs are competing for those accounts just as much as the appraisers are competing for those assignments.

Another untruth is that the HVCC stripped appraisers of their clients, when in reality what it actually did was strip the lenders of their MB-select alternative.

Another untruth is that these assignments belong to the appraisers. They don't. The assignments belong to the lenders. You can tell that's the case because in each of the lender's transactions they remain a constant that never varies whereas the appraisers are the variable.

Those ain't your assignments. They never were. You can't lose something that you never possessed and/or to which you were never entitled.

Allegedly,
Top AMC by volume controls less than 5% of the AMC trade​
#2 AMC controls less than 3%​
#3-#5 each control less than 2%​
There is no conspiracy, monopoly or oligopoly. What exists is a highly competitive market that is very sensitive - via the feedback loops - to price. For the lenders, the AMCs and the appraisers. Sensitive to the point of being volatile and with the potential to become even more volatile as we go.

Unqualified: That is probably the biggest untruth being parroted by many in this discussions. It makes zero sense to say someone who passed all the courses, passed the licensing exam and has spent 5+ years in the business can be characterized as unqualified to appraise most of the SFRs in the GSE and related pipelines.
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The point being, if there are any solutions for the fee appraisers then these elements comprise the inertia that such efforts will have to overcome. I consider THAT to be the legitimate position that I and other appraisers should be supporting.
 
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Everything you post is an outright lie designed to support your unsupported, baseless opinions. What a liar. I can't imagine your appraisal reports given your lack of ability to be objective about anything you post about in here.

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Forbes +4
Current Value & Finances (vs. Oct 2022)
  • Purchase Price (2022): $44 billion.
  • Valuation (2023-2024): Fidelity estimated the value dropped by over 70%, bottoming out around $9.4 billion to $10 billion, though internal equity grants suggested around $19 billion.
  • Valuation (2025-2026): Reports in March 2025 indicate a rebound, with some projections bringing the value back toward the $44 billion mark, bolstered by improved financials and returning advertisers.
  • Profitability: The company has struggled with profitability following a reported 45%+ decrease in ad revenue in 2023.
    Forbes +4
Workforce Changes
  • Pre-Musk: Approximately 7,500+ employees.
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Key Operational Shifts
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You keep attributing to the AMCs the conduct of the lenders who weighed their various alternatives among the other AMCs as well as the choice of ditching the AMC to go commando. That's a big untruth right there and it isn't productive to what you want to see happen.
I have noted hundreds of times that the lenders are also to blame - with regard to alternatives, if the lenders had to pay a hard cost to use the AMC , I bet their alternative choice would be a lot different.
The AMCs are competing for those accounts just as much as the appraisers are competing for those assignments.

Another untruth is that the HVCC stripped appraisers of their clients, when in reality what it actually did was strip the lenders of their MB-select alternative.
The HVCC imposed a prohibition on individual mortgage lenders and their staff from selecting the appraiser, along with some extra regulations. The AMC proposes that we can offer you FREE OF COST service to the lenders, by getting compensated from the HUD bundled fee. That induces a huge market shift to the AMC's - again, can you honestly tell me that if instead, the AMC;s said to the lenders, " we can relieve you of the ordering with our service and it will cost you der, $100-$250 an order'.... if the lenders had to pay a cost, would they make the same choice?
Another untruth is that these assignments belong to the appraisers. They don't. The assignments belong to the lenders. You can tell that's the case because in each of the lender's transactions they remain a constant that never varies whereas the appraisers are the variable.
I never said the assignments belonged to the appraisers. The assignments are generated by the lenders. However, the lenders need an appraiser to do an appraisal. Lenders do not require an AMC to process the appraisal. The appraiser is compensating the AMC for a third-party service by getting less of the appraisal fee. My argument against it from day one. Stop attributing ideas to me that I never conveyed, such as the assignments belong to the appraisers ( making me take time out of my day to refute it )
Those ain't your assignments. They never were. You can't lose something that you never possessed and/or were entitled to.
More of the same, exhausting to respond to charges like this about nothing
Allegedly,
Top AMC by volume controls less than 5% of the AMC trade​

BS. "Allegedly," according to whom?? Are you D Wileys; echo chamber? He has to fight to defend the position that there are several hundred AMC's registered out of some kind of fear, it seems that the reality is the big volume of work is handled by a smaller number of them. But even he did not state that the top AMC volume is 5% of the AMC trade. Do the research - a small number of large volume nationwide AMC's handle the majority of the volume.
#2 AMC controls less than 3%​
#3-#5 each control less than 2%​
There is no conspiracy, monopoly or oligopoly. What exists is a highly competitive market that is very sensitive - via the feedback loops - to price. For the lenders, the AMCs and the appraisers. Sensitive to the point of being volatile and with the potential to become even more volatile as we go.
I never said there is a conspiracy or monopoly. Look up my posts, yuo will never see those words used. What I said is the trtuh, that a narrow demand exists due to the consolidaion of ordering to a small number of AMC;s , coupled with the fact that they are not retial end users, they are wholesalers who mark up the appraisal by X $ and then take that X $ out of the appraisal fee that otherwise would have gone to the appraiser.
Unqualified: That is probably the biggest untruth being parroted by many in this discussions. It makes zero sense to say someone who passed all the courses, passed the licensing exam and has spent 5+ years in the business can be characterized as unqualified to appraise most of the SFRs in the GSE and related pipelines.
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The point being, if there are any solutions for the fee appraisers then these elements comprise the inertia that such efforts will have to overcome. I consider THAT to be the legitimate position that I and other appraisers should be supporting.
Unqualfiied based on a number of AMC reports that I have recieved and reviewed ( and the numerous posrts here asking inane quesions starting iwth, "I am working on an AMC order"....Not all appraisers who do work for an AMC are less qualified/comptent, but a number are - newer , not mentored it seems asking questions here as trainees doing an AMC assignment. The icentive of choosing by a low fee that profits the AMC can affect who they choose for an assignment.
 
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You know the "newer" isn't really a thing in our profession. We've been over it a dozen times by now: just because someone isn't working to their previous demonstrated competency (they passed the courses and the exam) doesn't mean they are unqualified.

And yes, you ARE complaining about the marketplace for services being externally constrained even though every single lender has the discretion to go commando in order to access every licensee in the nation.

The number of registered AMCs in your state can be verified or disputed as a matter of fact.
 
BS. "Allegedly," according to whom?? Are you D Wileys; echo chamber? He has to fight to defend the position that there are several hundred AMC's registered out of some kind of fear, it seems that the reality is the big volume of work is handled by a smaller number of them. But even he did not state that the top AMC volume is 5% of the AMC trade. Do the research - a small number of large volume nationwide AMC's handle the majority of the volume.
There are currently over 300 AMCs registered in Florida. If a small handful control the business, how do the hundreds of other ones even stay in business? I mean, they aren't paying the registration fee and panel fees just for grins and giggles. Who are the ones that you think control the business in your state? I mean, surely you would not have posted that claim without some sort of support, right?
 
There are currently over 300 AMCs registered in Florida. If a small handful control the business, how do the hundreds of other ones even stay in business? I mean, they aren't paying the registration fee and panel fees just for grins and giggles. Who are the ones that you think control the business in your state? I mean, surely you would not have posted that claim without some sort of support, right?
Yeah, but they all suck! :)
 
Leading National Appraisal Management Companies (AMCs)
  • Class Valuation: Recognized as a top national AMC known for rapid turnaround times, often averaging around four business days.
  • Amrock LLC: A prominent, large-scale provider of appraisal management services.
  • Appraisal Nation: A nationwide firm specializing in compliant, unbiased, and high-quality appraisal reports.
  • Nationwide Property & Appraisal Services: A major player with significant acquisition activity in the industry.
  • PCV Murcor: A national firm with a large panel of independent appraisers.
  • Valuation Connect: A division of Mortgage Connect, focusing on technology-driven efficiency.
  • Opteon Solutions: A high-growth firm driven by technology and acquisitions.
  • Fastapp AMC: Known for its extensive national appraiser network and, established in 2018, rapid growth.
    lass Valuation +6
Industry Context & Trends
  • Market Concentration: While there are over 500 AMCs, the market is highly fragmented; however, about 13% of firms account for a significant portion of volume with revenue over $50 million.
  • Acquisition Activity: Large firms like Class Valuation, Nationwide Property & Appraisal, and Opteon frequently acquire smaller regional firms to expand, according to MtgeFi.
I believe the above large firms are the most active in Florida in addition to some others. ( Value Link, Red Sky Risk 0

as for the small firms, it only cost $150 to register in Florida so if they do business in one county, then it could work for them.
 
You're right. But here's the problem.....

The way AMCs structure fees and appraiser compensation absolutely can shape the quality and reliability of the appraisal that ultimately protects (or bites) the borrower.

When AMCs push the lowest‑bid appraisers or skim large portions of the fee, many experienced appraisers will try to raise their fees or stop doing GSE work
(what you stated, counter offer or decline) leaving a panel dominated by cheaper, less experienced appraisers.

Based on your posts, you appear to be a review appraiser. So, you know this to be true by the appraisals that you review. Boilerplate, comparable selection, condition/quality ratings, adjustments, widespread gross and adjusted sales, no H&BU or reconciliation analysis. We've all seen them. There's a lot of incompetence out there plus, the more experienced guys/gals will try to slam through them because of the low fee. It's just human nature.

Even though it is none of the Appraiser's business in regards to the transaction between the borrower and the lender, the borrower should be made aware of what they're paying for in regards to the appraisal as the "outcome" of the transaction "relies" on the appraisal.

Having said all the above, now that the lenders know the taxpayer will bail them out for allowing risky loans, the appraisal is less important to them than ever. Hence, hybrids, non-licensed/insured PDC's with no signature for their work, waivers. The dinosaur appraiser is on the way out.

I've never felt more like a dinosaur than I do now. Survived the volcano but this is the asteroid. I just watched a cool Spielberg series on Netflix "The Dinosaurs" . I got a historical refresh.
 
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