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How often do you actually get an appraisal order if they want a free comp check first and you won&#3

  • Never

    Votes: 207 30.8%
  • Maybe 1 out of 100 calls like that

    Votes: 107 15.9%
  • About 1 out of 50 calls like that

    Votes: 94 14.0%
  • About 1 out of 10 calls like that

    Votes: 117 17.4%
  • About 1 out of 5 calls like that

    Votes: 94 14.0%
  • I ALWAYS talk them into the order without giving a value first

    Votes: 53 7.9%

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I just had this really bad mental image of trying to putt to your belly button. I'm gonna have to go lay down now..... :sad:

:rof: OMG...Now I've just had a really bad mental image of you having a mental image of....

I think everyone needs a nap!:)
 
LOL... Let Wilber know I understood originally. I just wanted to point out the desktop was an order for an appraisal.
 
These cavalier comp checkers appear to go to extraordinary lengths to perfect a product they cheerfully give away for free, I wonder if they analyze condominium project budgets when they’re paid to do it?
 
If you haven't figured it out by now, some of us could use a little help in the people skills department. I believe them when they report that they have been appraising since Christ was a corporal. :)

(I've only been doing this since he was a Staff Sergeant.)
 
How about "We're all adults and know the game that's being played?"

Ok, but that comment was regarding me teasing about not saying a desktop appraisal order was an "order" and then saying "if I get the order" meaning a later second order with a different SOW.... which makes Petey making perfect sense as he was following the interaction going on.

Maybe you had something else on your mind. A place where a guy has to have a female escort or they won't let the guy in? A Roman toga party? What? ;)

I think one of the big main points should be that clear engagement contracts for separate assignments, proper work files, keeps everything on the up and up. There is nothing wrong with well documented "staged" or "phased" assignments with clear engagement contracts, and disclosed intended uses, that comply with USPAP.

The problems are those that try to hide how things started out under a rock because they know they skipped required steps and did it in a (wink, wink, wink) manner that violated USPAP. All because their potential client wants it free, they are avoiding doing work as much as they can, and they know very well there is a contingency intention at play. But those that go off on tangents, under the idea that as long as there isn't any proof they did anything wrong all is ok, really are demeaning our trade. Like Mr. Hatch said, there is no such thing as secrets on this one.
 
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I see it not as hiding anything, it's just ignoring the obvious. If the deal doesn't go through there's no paper trail and practically it's not going to come back and bite you. It's forgotten by all involved. Look at it as "forgiven". As far as USPAP requirements, I consider that much like jaywalking and walking up to a cop and telling them I've just committed a crime. Or making a mistake on my taxes and calling up the state to tell them I owe them $1,220.18 and I'll be right in. Or getting a free pass to a movie but giving it to someone else because if I'm going to watch the movie I need to pay - there's no free rides. I'm no saint in these matters although hearing some of the people talk here they must be. Is there a saint USPAP yet? There, but for the grace of God, go I. Try living within your means without compromising in some fashion. Nobody is perfect. Those among us that do their job ethically and honestly with all due diligence don't deserve scorn. JMO
 
you say bias? There is no bias towards the reported market value of the property. The bias u imply is not the one addressed in USPAP.
Are you really saying comp check = Morally bankrupt, unethical reports?
I am questioning the moral crisis your attaching to the relationship between a comp check and a finished report.
The HVCC was about pressure to hit values. As if we were all being sneaky and finding a way to get high values past underwriting. blah. Scapegoating. I dont know or associate with anyone who performs clandestine reports with an underwriter, investor, and reviewer. It would take all three to push through a over-valued report.
Nothing you proposed is found in any of the reports I have done or the 20 or so appraisers I have mentored. Or the ones who mentored me. Nothing mislead one to believe the market value is not well supported. Are you having a tough time with " Nell a comp check was performed so the last 1,000 reports must be dubvious?

You keep equating everything to the value conclusion as if that's what it is you're selling. It's not.

Whether you agree with our standards or not, the fact remains that under those standards the ends (value conclusion) don't justify the means. You can't rationalize a bunch of misconduct by saying "Kings X, the value is good; trust me". It doesn't work that way. Credibility is earned by doing, not by saying; and the burden of justifying that credibility always rests with the appraiser.

You made a deal when you applied for an appraisal license, and you reaffirm that deal every time you sign an appraisal report certification. You agreed to abide by our professional standards. Not some of them - all of them. Now you're telling us that you routinely go back on your word and then you get surprised when we express disapproval of that. Lookit, if you want to be the outlaw, why don't you just wear it with some pride? Say it loud and say it proud. Why (try to) hide behind the verbal acrobatics and pretend you're just an average citizen?

Your clients all know you're cheating to get assignments. Whether you acknowledge it or not, the fact remains that in their eyes you are a "cooperative" and malleable appraiser who will lie for them under at least some circumstances. They may not find that as offensive as we do, but at the very least it does detract from their perception of us all.

You never did answer my earlier query about providing full disclosure in your appraisal reports about the comp checks you did to get the assignment. So I'll ask again. Are you really so sure of what you're doing that you'd be willing to be open and honest with these lenders about it?

I seriously doubt it. Otherwise you wouldn't be speaking in terms of written proof not being in evidence, thereby making everything okay. It's like me saying that it would be okay to molest little kids so long as I could be sure I could get away with it. That rationale flunks a very basic moral test.

I know what you're thinking right now. You're attempting to fall back on that tired old "everyone does it and anyone who says differently is a liar" rationalization. Lemme tell you, that won't work here, and the reason why it won't work should be pretty obvious by now. It won't work here because we know for a fact that it's not true.

You've chosen exactly the wrong crowd to try to run that line. This ain't brokeroutpost.com, and we don't sell mortgages by day and timeshares by night.

It may be that everyone you know does comp checks, including the 20 souls you claim to have supervised. However, if that's really the case then the only thing that proves is that you need to reconsider your associations and start hanging out with better appraisers. Either that or you can get your own act together and set the better example for the appraisers you do know.
 
Loan Officer: Mr. Apprazur can i get $250 on this.

Apprazur: Not there.

Loan Officer: Mr Homeowner we can't do business, apprazur says the value is not there.

Mr. Homeowner: I want a copy of that Apprazul, I'm entitled to it by law.

Loan Officer: Um, UM, well he just said it wasn't there.
 
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