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My Second Annual Warning

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Ben:

Thanks for reminder. I have house in woods of PA, lots of deer running around the yard. KEEP GRASS SHORT, WEAR WHITE SOCKS (to help ya see the buggers if they get on ya), AND SPRAY YARD. CHECK YOURSELF OUT WHEN RETURNING HOME, and avoid high grass in direct sun areas. I tried that match thing an it dosn't seem to work (usally end up burning myself). Was also told to smother them in vasoline and they remove themselves ? Here in NYC it's not a problem, we have other "buggers" to worry about.
 
:) I am surprised that more of us have not had Lime Diaease. I had the bulls eye rash last year. Luckily I went straight to my doctor the same day and recieved antibiotic treatment and testing. After several weeks I was re-tested just to be sure. Its a serious disease that doesn't get much attention. Thanks for the reminder. Tick season is just starting here in SE PA.


Jacob S.
 
I just thought of something else concerning ticks. I know a local home improvement business operator. About six months ago he took an Alaskan Cruise. Within hours of boarding the ship he was in a comma. They had to send a chopper out to bring him back to a hospital. He nearly died. Turns out he had been bitten by a tick and had tick fever. He is still recovering.
About two months ago I was working with a timber appraiser. For two weeks I couldn’t get in touch with him because he didn’t answer his phone. Finally, I ran into him at the tax assessor’s office. He said he bumped up against a bush in the forest and when he got back to the car his legs were covered with thousands of deer ticks. They must of bitten him pretty good because he got tick fever and was in bed for two weeks. Said he nearly died.
So, lyme disease is not the only disease you have to be concerned about.
 
Austin,

Very good additional info that you have provided. We should be aware of any/all tick bites and the consequences.

I only posted about Lyme Disease because it's usually not as severe as the ones you posted about so a person may not know that they have it and be headed for a life of hell a year later. People tend to let it go thinking that they have the flu, only to find out that they will never again be the way they were before they had it. Most of us can't afford to be sick for years and years which is what Lyme can and will do to you. Two weeks sick, I can handle that. 5 years was a bummer. The rest of my life totally screwed-up is a disappointment. I just don't want to see anybody else suffer with it, if they don't have to.... Awareness is the key.

Disability insurance??? Just try to use it. You better have a big equity line on your home. I pounded the hell out of mine. So you're sick as hell and you face financial disaster because you can not work. I am not joking when I say your pillow will be your best friend-you will not get out of the bed, believe me.

The best information is to be aware of Lyme Disease and its symptoms. That's the only reason I posted.

Ben
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>Ben,

I read both of the URLs you put up and one of the links which is referenced below. Real interesting. To follow are a couple of interesting quotes, the first being from the first URL and the second is from the link. Also a quote is included that makes it clear that the bacteria itself is getting across the blood-brain barrier (which is continuous around the brain and spinal cord -- the central nervous system). I know that the cerebrospinal fluid is manufactured in the brain, and "migrates" down the spinal cord, so certainly this implies that any organism with access to the spinal fluid would have access the brain (rather than just the toxins).

The conjecture that the toxins are initiating and promoting the various autoimmune diseases/conditions and that the bacteria themselves have a special affinity for nerve cells (especially the cranial nerves and various nerve plexuses including for the heart) is almost certainly correct. In fact, I can see where these two could directly or indirectly account for ALL of the symptoms cited. The problem making the infection chronic (as I know you are aware) is the ability for the spirochete to get in to difficult to treat places (low vascular supply). Tendons were cited as being a hiding place. Tendons (like cartilage & bone) are largely composed of an extracellular matrix material secreted by these specific cells (e.g., tendon cells). These particular cells are often "islands to themselves" not touching any other cells as opposed to muscle and skin cells which are always together, adjacent and attached to each other. The bacterium can make its way into these areas, through the matrix, where it cannot be reached with either type of antibiotic. There are several other diseases like this that are chronic conditions for the same reason. (HIV is chronic because it lives in the very blood cells that were designed to kill such invaders.)

The following quote reminds me of appraising in NC. Coming out this week (supposed to be tomorrow/today) in the "Greensboro News & Record," a major NC newspaper, will be a story others and I were contacted on by an investigative reporter last week. Sizable scandal. And our Board (the NCAB) has now gotten themselves involved. However, in this case, regarding the Board, so far it appears to be more a function of them being idiots rather than crooks. Regardless, it is about time for some justice. Depending on what he chooses to write, it is going to be interesting news for some people on this forum too. (He is talking about maybe doing a series.) I will likely reprint it in the "Improving the Profession" forum. State boards are often packed with notoriously worthless hacks. That's just how it works. The reason there should be a special place in hell for some of them is because they take these positions to do EXACTLY the opposite of what they have sworn to do. They just find that this is the logical place to do their work. And they are right. The fox guarding the hen house all the way. Always remember, it's all about the money:

"In researching Lyme, horror stories surface
not only of patients’ woes, but of persecuted
physicians, hounded by state medical boards,
threatened by the CDC, harassed by the board
of health, and sued by insurance companies;
frightened of seizure of their medical records
and facing the possibility of loss of licensure,
they “throw up their hands in frustration,”
according to one well-respected author on
Lyme disease."
_______________________

The Lyme Disease Conspiracy
by Joseph J. Burrascano, Jr., M.D.
Reprinted from Senate Committee Hearing on Lyme Disease
August 5, 1993

http://www.jersey.net/~joebur/conspire.htm

"There is a core group of university-based Lyme disease
researchers and physicians whose opinions carry a great
deal of weight. Unfortunately many of them act unscientific-
ally and unethically. They adhere to outdated, self-serving
views and attempt to personally discredit those whose
opinions differ from their own. They exert strong ethically
questionable influence on medical journals, which enables
them to publish and promote articles that are badly flawed.
They work with government agencies to bias the agenda of
consensus meetings, and have worked to exclude from these
meetings and scientific seminars those with alternate opinions.
They behave this way for reasons of personal or professional
gain, and are involved in obvious conflicts of interest."

And then from your URL itself:

"One man's insurance company denied him even oral antibiotics,
stating there was no proof he'd ever had Lyme disease, then
denied his application for life insurance on the basis of "a history
of Lyme disease." Figure that one out."

And then the proof of the barrier penetration:

"Sadly, sometimes even multiple, prolonged IV treatment can not
eradicate Lyme (live spirochetes have been found in spinal fluid of
persons who had been treated, and had even shown some good
response, for a period of years)."
_______________

Will Lyme get whipped within the next 10 years including in those with the infection? Yes, it is very likely it will be.

Goose goes to the vet on Thursday afternoon.

Regards,

David C. Johnson, Raleigh, NC</span>
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>Forum:

I stand corrected. Based on some writhing by Tom Grier, Permethrin appears to me to be a much better choice than DEET as a tick repellent. I like his argument for getting it at the vet's office (I will try to pick up some tomorrow) rather than elsewhere, and I will sure keep in mind his sport fishing tip.

Read:

"DEET vs. Permethrin as a Tick Repellent"

By Tom Grier

http://www.lymealliance.org/tick/repellent.php

If you have time, also read what he has to say about Lyme Disease on the website, including the Politics of Lyme Disease. It might surprise you, but might just sound kinda familiar since you are a board-regulated professional. An excellent summary is found on his 4-Step Tutorial which includes an explanation of the biology of this bacteria. He knows what he's talking about not just as microbiologist working in the field, but on a first hand basis as he still deals with the consequences of it himself.

Complexities of Lyme Disease: A Microbiology Tutorial

Part 1 Part 2 Part 3 Part 4

http://www.lymealliance.org/medical/micro/micro.php

Ben is sure right the about the bacteria's crazy lifecycle. As you know, the actual infectious organism -- the Lyme Spirochete known as Borrelia burgdorferi -- spends part of its life as a parasite parasitizing a parasite -- the tick -- but get this, that parasite (i.e., the spirochete) is also parasitized itself -- by a virus! But get this, its reported that virus, which is now incorporated into the genome of each and every individual Lyme Spirochete, may be the ultimate cure for Lyme disease itself. Awesome.

Without a doubt, this particular long skinny spirochete, with a length no greater than the width of a human hair (i.e., 50 microns), is an evolutionary wonder with all its built-in self-preservation strategies, particularly considering it has not one neuron for a brain. But if you can stand even crazier, and just as unbelievable, read "Parasite Rex: Inside the Bizarre World of Nature's Most Dangerous Creatures" by Carl Zimmer, copyright 2000, Simon & Schuster, Inc.

Ben, thanks for sharing your story. Like the majority of the population, I too house an unwanted microorganism, and in my case, it's was "activated" twenty years ago thanks to a real cute little thing I was dating at the time -- I get a cold sore on the corner of my lip about once every three years or so. Upside, I rarely if ever get colds. The herpes simplex 1 virus, normally lying silent and dormant in a cranial facial nerve, is a jealous organism -- when it detects a cold virus coming on, it hops into action to prevent it, if it can. It's pretty good at it.

Considering what I have learned over 18 hours of researching Lyme Disease since my first post to this thread, coupled with some knowledge gained from studying modern molecular and microbiology over the last two or three years, I hereby slightly amend my time estimate (i.e., my guess) for a cure to being within this decade; with a fully workable vaccine even before that. The recent sequencing of its full genome is the key. Turns out the spirochete is even weirder than was thought.

Of course, it's still going to be real expensive to get treated, so I plan to take Ben's advice and not let the tick bugs bite.

Regards,

David C. Johnson, Raleigh</span>
 
David,

Thanks for the additional Lyme link. While I am not a molecular biologist, I know enough about Lyme from living with it for the last 13 years. It's a good friend now. Now to scare the rest of the forum into Lyme awareness---you can't even have alcohol when you have Lyme Disease because it accentuates the effects of Lyme. So don't think you can drink Lyme away because all you do is get sicker than you normally would be.....No beer, No wine, No nothing....

I only posted because people need to take it very seriously, especially appraisers. Ticks are not a joke-the season is coming up shortly. I know when I heard the kid down the street had Lyme, I was unconcerned about it. When I saw the kid in a wheelchair with the IV, I was still unconcerned about it as I figured they could cure it with anti-biotics. Then I got it and realized you basically have it forever and you learn to live in the world of Lyme fog, which I hear is a very good defense for USPAP violations, especially in NC. :lol: :lol:

Honestly, I remember being in basements of homes and not having a clue as to what I was doing, where I was, or why I was there-that's the short term memory loss caused by Lyme.

So take my post and Dave's info for what they're worth. If and when you get it, you'll have a destructive friend "cork screwing around" in your body forever........

Then, I have a friend who is a school teacher. He got Lyme working a construction job during the summer in the NJ Pine Barrens. He was out of work for one year...but that's another story. None of us have that kind of time to lose. Not in this business.

Ben
 
Just a second thing to be aware of with "TICKS"
Austin mentioned tick fever-AKA- "Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever" and it can sneak up on you if you are like I was, busy, PREOCCUPIED with your business and always on the go. Sounds like most appraisers to me.

I was all of the above or I would have noticed that I had a fairly severe headache for three days and had complained several times about the AC being to cold and turning it up a notch and noticing a puzzled look on my wifes face.

I walk my dog "Mad Max" about a half mile every morning before work and on about the forth morning I was a little slow in getting ready and basically just felt a little strange ( stranger than usual). We got about 14 of a mile from the house and was about to start back and at about 80 degrees and high humidity, I felt chilly and light headed. A little bit later the trail started to move like waves on the water and about then I thought (using the word loosely) something is not right. I had to sit down in the middle of the trail or lean against a tree several times the rest of the way.
I really don't know how long it took because my brain started to get goofier and I had started to shake like hypothermia.

I got into the house and called my wife and asked her what could be wrong with me, she asked if I had taken my temperature , I said no and after she told me where the thermometer was I took my temp. and it was a little over 103. She got all excited and asked if I could drive to the doctors office 25 miles away and my reply was hell no I can't even walk.
In the hour and one half it took for her to get home and get me to the doctor my temperature was little over 106 and I did'nt know my *** from a hole in the ground.

My Doctor took two blood tests one they would run and the other would go to the lab and be back in 3 or 4 days but as it turned out he really only needed the one from his office. I had infected kidneys and blood in the urine. The doc said he was 99% sure it was "Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever" and that the kidneys are usually the first place it strikes.
He gave me a big shot of antibiotics (tetricycaline) "maybe close", that day and the next morning and believe me that stuff hurts going in and then gets worse and then 14 days on antibiotics and it was 7 or 8 days before I started to care if I lived or could spell appraisal and yes he was right 7 days after they took the test the lab sent back that it was the "fever"

I feel very lucky that I had a mature doctor that had seen a lot of this and reacted to what he knew rather than wait for the lab tests or send me to some "specialist" that would have taken two or three weeks to make up his mind and jack up his fee. With this, like Lyme disease early treatment can make all the difference, I have only had one flash back or minor reoccurence since and that was because of early treatment and I met a lady that has been fighting the cursed stuff 1 to 3 times a year for the past 16 years.

Symptoms; Severe headache, high fever 103 to 105, severe muscle aches and weakness. Also it says most people develop a rash, usually starting in the palms of the hands and soles of the feet, then it can spread across the body. I never had a rash at all. If not treated, it causes shaking chills, abdominal pain, nausea, intense headache, back stiffness, mental confusion and unconsciouness. It can permanently damage kidneys, liver, lungs and blood.

As anyone can see that has read this long winded post, you don't need all of the symptoms, just a few will do if in doubt go get checked. This crap is nasty. Also, don't forget to have someone check your head or wear a ballcap if you are around trees as they do fall out of trees on your head and its hard to find the little bas^%&$#, 24 hours could make a difference.
Veterinarians in western Kentucky say they treated more pets for Lyme and Rocky Mountain last year than they did in the last 5 years total.
Sorry for being so Looooooong!


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I went to the vet to day to get some frontline for my dog. I ask about the stuff mentioned above but they never heard of it. Said they had something that would kill ticks if you sprayed it on them.
I read the directions on the frontline and it said that the major carrier of Lyme disease was deer ticks. These things are so small that you have to have good eyes to see them. I wonder if you can use frontline on people? You put about an once on the dog and he will not have ticks for over a month. My dog hasn’t had a tick in years. No flees either. The stuff kills flees for three months. Cost $42 for three treatments. I think I will dab a little behind my ears and see what happens. If I start howling at the moon and chasing cars you guys will know it didn’t work.
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>ThreadFollowers:

The reaction of my vet and one of his assistants yesterday was somewhat similar to Austin's experince. In trying to pronounce the name of the stuff, the Dr. took over for me and pronounced it right, so he was aware of it. It is an ingredient in his products for dogs but he had never heard of its use for people.

He said he had treated some dogs with Lyme in that office (Raleigh, NC -- about the center of the state).

So, I will keep my ears and eyes open to get the story on Permethrin to find out the best way to get it and see if there are any caveats to watch for. It certainly was not obvious to the vet that it was ever used in any manner for people (but that is not surprising).

He says he has never heard of Lyme in birds. Goose checked out fine (stool and blood tests), but I have a suspicion that these may have been unnecessary tests and ran me $140 dollars. These tests are by far the highest profit margin items in a medical office. I plan to call him back and see if I can get out of him how often something of interest is reveal by such tests on a well (i.e., an "unsick") animal -- and also to get a print of the report. My parrot did have an odd bump on his head that I got a satisfactory answer for and we removed it.

I was wondering if Tick Fever was another name for Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever. I will likely look into that organism too out of interest.

Regards,

David C. Johnson

PS:
I had mentioned in a post in this thread that a newspaper story was due out. Apparently It has run into a snag regarding "on the record" Vs "off the record" comments on the part of some interviewed. Not surprising as this is an "explosive" story. I hope it gets resolved before long such that the matter gets published. More later.</span>
 
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