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NCAB verses Tom Hildebrandt - The case of the clueless board

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The evidence is all in place. I spent nearly the entire day yesterday on the stand explaining my work product for about the zillionth time.

The NCAB position essentially boils down to the testimony of the new Deputy Director. The technical issue is that Humphries believes that I somehow did not comply with state law for condemnation blight because my highest and best use for the property was the same one of the many uses the airport could use the property, air cargo uses. He based his opinion on the fact that he had thirty years of experience with the NCDOT and that he knew from his experience that you can not appraise the property with the same highest and best use as that use identified by the condemnor for the project. He could not offer any support for his opinion other than his general knowledge of the law as he had learned inhouse as an appraiser for the states largest condemnor. He admitted he had not read Eatons text or attended any professional seminars on the topic, outside of NCDOT course, in his thiry years of experience. This says a lot about the NCAB support for this being a profession which requires some academic and intellectual rigour.

My position is that Eatons text says that you can appraise the property with a highest and best that is the same as the condemning authority if there is a reasonable demand for such a use outside of the condemnor. In other words, if the state is the only person who could use the land for a road, you can not value the land for a highest and best use as a road. In this case the subject property adjoins an airport. It has the physical ability to be used for airport related uses, including air cargo facilities. It meets all other tests for highest and best use, including demand as evidenced by other tenants expanding at the airport.

The sticky issue is that the airport says that they do not allow through the fence access per the preferred FAA policy. Of course, they argue safety and security as the main issues, but the real issue is that the airport wants to own the land so it can control the airport growth. In this regard, the ariport has undertaken many actions, in addition to adopting the unwritten policy against through the fence access, that demonstrate almost total control of the property. They show the property as a future site for cquisition on their master plan which means that they have zoning authority, they failed to extend sewer to the site as an adjoining property when estending sewer to a nearby portion of the airport. They rerouted a road as part of their longer term plan, diminishing the value of the property. They maintained an uneconomic remnant that acts as a buffer precluding visibility and access to a major road in anticipation of ultimately acquiing this property. And they actually told prospective purchasers of this site for airport related uses that would not require through the fence access, that the airport was going to buy the property so they scared of these buyers. The executive director actually argued two different positions on what the purpose of the taking was for the subject and for an adjoining property because the legal arguments were different.

These are the actions of an agressive condemnor who uses every possible trick in the book to deny the property owner the right to use his land for what its maximumally productive use, that of using the airport frastructure for air cargo, aviation related activities, or for recieving just compensation for the land.

The only reason that the site can not be used is because of a self serving policy adopted by the condemnor denying access. In fact, there are many airports which allow through the fence access with the FAA approval. I argued that absent the condemnation power of the airport, this site would be purchased by an aviation related activity and that the economic demands of the market would warrant that the airport authority, whos mission is to provide the aviation infrastructure to the public, would grant access. There are no security and safety issues with users like Fed EX, Air National Guard units and other such users of these facilities.

The NCAB has accepted the airports position on this matter without hesitation. If you accept the NCAB position, any condemnor can write the purpose of the taking in such a manner that it would be impossible to appraise a property for any purpose that the condemnor might possibly contemplate, even if the use has market demand otherwise. Further, the condemnor who is in a political position to excercise almost toal control of a property can do exactly what happened in this case, made the proeprty owner carry the property at his cost for almost thirty years until a suitable tenant came to the airport. They then acquire the property at a very low price getting their stable of appraisers to ignore blight, ignore the property history, and thereby under value the proeprty. The property owner gets appraisers to value the property based on two premises surrounding these issues, one that the condemnor would grant access absent blight, and a second without access.

The judge allows only the second premise to be presented based on the legal briefs. You know the rest of the findings of the trial. The airports apraisers have their feathers ruffled because they are shown to be incompetent, and they turn to their cronies on the NCAB to regain some measure of credibility.

The NCAB is more than happy to comply since they can silence one of their critics. In defense of their experts position on this matter, they site the decision of the judge to limit testimony in htis case, arguing that this is a definitive interpretation of the law and that is clear evidence that makes my reasoning inappropriate in the first appraisal and that this makes the report misleading. The board argues that any report must not be misleading to any third party.

But wait, who actually heard my opinion developed in the first appraisal? The only client was the property owners attorney. The airport only recieved the report through disclosure, they were not intended users. the jury never heard it. An appraiser has no obligation under USPAP to make a report to be understood by unintended users, at least that is the ASB positon,so the only person who could have been mislead was the attorney who testified that he was not mislead, he fully understood the legal issues.

Not so fast the NCAB argues, the NCAB does not have to accept the ASB position on this issue, they are the board and their position is that a report can not be misleading to anyone who reads it.

Now we see the reall conundrum of this issue. What the NCAB is really saying is that if you are appraising for any type of litigation, and if you write a report based on a legal issue, and the NCAB disagrees with the legal position, you are guilty. It does not matter what the context of the assignment is or whether the report was adequate for the clients use. All these boards need to prove you wrong is have one of their "experts" say he thinks you are wrong and that you mislead someone, any one. You are guilty of a violation of USPAP. If some judge somewhere decides for legal reasons not to allow a portion of your appraisal, you have failed to comply with standards. In short, you can not accept legal instructions from clients without exposing yourself to regulatory action.

So now you have the full picture in this sad saga. The NCAB will submit their staff as experts, citing years of experience, that the work that you do is wrong without citing any basis other than their experience. If they say you are wrong, they conclude the report is misleading. They do not need to prove to whom the report is misleading or what you did wrong. They say it, therefore it is.

One final thing. Since the issue is not about value, the fact that the airports appraisers just missed the mark and I essentially got it right, is just irrelevant. In fact, the NCAB sees absolutely no reason to believe that the six appraisers who argued the airports position have violated standards in this matter. Apparently the property history is not important, becasue USPAP is only a minimal standard in that instance.

Well, this is my last post about events of this hearing. If any one out there has questions I will try to answer. If and when a judge rules, I will post the results.

Best regards to all, and thanks for your support.

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 
Tom,

I have a couple questions: You wrote
An appraiser has no obligation under USPAP to make a report to be understood by unintended users, at least that is the ASB positon,so the only person who could have been mislead was the attorney who testified that he was not mislead, he fully understood the legal issues.

Not so fast the NCAB argues, the NCAB does not have to accept the ASB position on this issue, they are the board and their position is that a report can not be misleading to anyone who reads it.


Is that really the NCAB's position? I have no problem with a board setting requirements that exceed USPAP; that is their perogative. My question is that if they do have such a requirement, is it one that is spelled out anywhere in their state regulations? Forgive me for saying so, but if they have spelled it out somewhere in their regulations that a report can not be misleading to anyone who reads it, then you and every other NC appraiser would be obliged to be both familiar with the regulation and in compliance. If it isn't a documented and codified regulation, how can it be binding on their licensed appraisers? How can we be responsible to comply with an unwritten rule, and how can they enforce an unwritten rule?

They can't try a person for murder unless there is a law on the books that both defines and prohibits the action; which is why murder is defined and prohibited in every state. Same thing here. They can make any appraisal activity illegal if they define that activity and prohibit it somewhere in their laws or regulations.

So is there a written regulation in North Carolina requiring that no appraisal report can be misleading to any reader, intended or not? Because if there is, that brings up a whole host of questions as to an appraiser being able to determine every reader's (including clients and intended users as well as all unintended users) competency prior to ever submitting a report. If this regulation exists, I can assure you that not only are you in violation every day of the week, but so is every other appraiser, including all the board members. If this is the case, you should henceforth remove yourself from the People's Republik of North Carolina and move elsewhere to perform real property appraisals.

We don't have a regulation like that here in California. How do you feel about moving west?

George Hatch
 
A summary of Tom’s posts.
1. If your experience does not teach you what was learned in the experience of an NCAB board member, then you are guilty of violating NCAB policy because their experience is the unwritten standard by which you are judged.
2. Apparently the boys at NCAB are not the only ones with a good-old-boy network. The boys over at the airport like to make up their rules as they go along too.
3. All of the NC good-old-boys work together on occasion. We got to protect Mama (The state bureaucracy that puts the cornbread on the table.) Gotta keep these damn outsiders out too. What do these undesignated folks know anyway. Hell, we been running this operation for 40 years.
4. NCAB definition of misleading: Any statement that doesn’t benefit my personal interest in the matter at hand.
5. If you don’t interpret the law the way the good-old-boys over at NCAB interpret the law, you are in violation of the unwritten law.
6. We good-old-boys here at NCAB are experts on all this here stuff. We are so expert that we are exempt from continuing education.
7. Hence forth, all appraisals in the fair state of NC will be written in tongues, the universal language of the holy ghost understood by all God’s children. You'all have a nice day now, you heh! See you at the Saturn picinic Satarday! All of the good-old-boys gonna be there. It is the social event of the year in NC. Everybody that is anybody will be there. Gonna have a real pig picken.

If I didn’t live near NC and know this mind set, I probably wouldn’t believe it either.
 
George

In answer to your question, the board has no rules as a standard of practice exept for the Preamble, the Rules, the definitions, Standards Rules 1-3 and the Statements. Both the board members and the board staff could not pass a trainee level test on USPAP.

I kid you not. Since I have not been a party to any other action, I could not really test this issue, but the board walked right into the discussion on USPAP like a fly on .... in the hearing. Reading the transcripts from this hearing should be a case study for all USPAP instructors.

Let me give a couple of examples from the charges in the notice of hearing ... #34 Respondents appraised value for the property was excessive. I pointed out to the judge that the word excessive just did not appear in standards anywhere that I knew of, particularly in Std 1 and Std 2. #53 Respondent did not produce a credible report, a violation of Standards Rule 2-1. Well, any trainee should know that credible is the word tied to the development of the appraisal but that the report must not be misleading and must contain sufficient information for the intended user to understand the report.


The NCAB attorney said in her summary to the judge that the NCAB position is that a report must not be misleading to any reader and that is what USPAP says in the basic statement about Std2, that the report must not be misleading. She went on to argue that if the writers of USPAP had intended to say "misleading to intended users" they would have put that verbage in there just like they did in the performance standard 2-1© where it says that the report must "contain sufficient information to enable the intended users of the appraisal to understand the report properly. " She apparently maintains that is the NCAB position and that they do not need any further guidance from the ASB on this matter since she considers the ASB's F&Q as just opinions, not binding. It is no wonder our board continues to be perplexed when hearing cases.

Among the many problems with our board, one of the key ones is that don't know USPAP definitions and they mix development (the appraisal) with the communication (appraisal report.)

The real issue for every appraiser from the state is that the board has its own unique interpretation of what standards are, as formed by the experience of the board members and staff. It has nothing to do with USPAP. USPAP just happen to be the moniker they can put on anything they say is wrong.

Well, got to go, need to right another appraisal so I can pay the attorneys fees.

Best regards

Tom Hildebrandt GAA
 
Tom,
For what it is worth, I am with you 100% on the technical issue of condemnor's use and highest-best use that you mentioned. There is no reason why they can't be the same.

The "rule" about using condemnor's use is intended for situations where the taker will be transforming the subject: say legally transforming subject by rezoning from agricultural to commercial,, or physically transforming subject physically by making a channel and giving the subject water frontage that it did not have. The reason is obvious. The appraiser should be finding that the takes aquired, say, 20% of a farm, not a commercial strip in my first example; or 20% of a street-frontage site, not 20% of a water-frontage site in my second example.

I grieve with you, buddy. IMNSHO, the fellow who testified about this "rule" on his Knowledge and experience, has simply spent a lifetime holding a delustional view.
 
<span style='color:darkblue'>George, you write (regarding Tom's post which further exposes the modus operandi of the current NCAB):

"If it isn't a documented and codified regulation, how can it be
binding on their licensed appraisers? How can we be responsible
to comply with an unwritten rule, and how can they enforce an
unwritten rule?"

and also:

"They can't try a person for murder unless there is a law on the
books that both defines and prohibits the action..."

George, they can do pretty much anything they damn-well please, and have for many years. However, there is no doubt that the consequences of exposure of this board's MO right here on this forum and elsewhere is having an effect. Someone previously mentioned the virtues of shining light on a problem as a means towards its correction.

If you noticed in the text of my posted STD-3 Review for the case, when commenting on applicable guidelines Tom was to follow, and did follow, I made a point of specifying WRITTEN Board Rules! I am sure that was noticed by the NCAB and I am sure they did not like that. It may be considered a prosecutable violation on my part to have so grossly mischaracterized all the actual rules this board views as applicable.

How about this scenario just for fun:

(First, note that the NCAB makes no distinction between the terms "misunderstood" and "not understood")

Mr. N. C. Appraiser, we are taking your livelihood this morning at this NCAB hearing since your report was misunderstood. In fact, Sir, NOT A SINGLE WORD OF IT was understood by a reader -- Sir, that is what is known as a misleading report.

But, again, I protest! That report was not written for the wife of a county garbage collector who picked up and trucked-away the trash at my client's home on that Thursday afternoon over two years ago. And my client, who was the only intended user, Attorney Jones, testified a few minutes ago that he not only understood the report perfectly, but also that he never intended for the report to have gotten in the trash can in the first place. And as my own attorneys at this hearing pointed out earlier, how can I be held responsible for the report not being understood by that sanitation engineer's wife after her husband had retrieved it from my client's trash can and handed it to her at the end of his workshift along with -- as she, the complainant testified -- "three unopened cans of sardines" retrieved from the garbage at another home on nearby Fisherman Avenue? Yes, as I have confessed, I did write the report in American English, but how was I to know someone might somehow get a hold of it who only speaks Spanish -- and again, as she, your lead witness and only witness -- who is the trashman's wife, the complainant, testified, is: "not so good at reading the English"?

Mr. Appraiser, you ask: "How was I to know !?" Really now, Sir, surely you are aware that ignorance is no excuse for breaking board rules. In fact, Sir, the very Case Law you were to adhere to a couple of years ago when preparing the report in question was established just last week by another complainant who was an official NCAB Board Witness at another appraiser's hearing in High Point, who testified: "even a summary report should be understandable to any one on God's Green Earth." Sir, what more can we do to make it clear to scofflaws like you? Regardless, you turned down a graciously offered NCAB confession to sign right after your Probable Cause hearing over a year and a half ago -- which would have resolved this case nicely at that time. Had you been reasonable, you would be due to get your license to practice returned to you in just a few more short months from today -- provided you also had taken both of the remedial continuing education classes we had stipulated: "NCAB-Style USPAP in Pig Latin" and "Better Report Writing in Espanol." Further, we find the disclosure today that the trashman himself is the brother of two board members to be irrelevant, and the sardines to be unsubstantiated. For this reason, in addition to writing a misleading report, we also find you guilty of Contempt of Board as well as Moral Turpitude regarding the fish. Hand over your license, Mr. Smith. Next case please..."

George, to be fair, some of our Board's arcane rules apparently are published -- they're just not all readily available as I have previously posted.

You also write:

"If this regulation exists, I can assure you that
not only are you in violation every day of the
week, but so is every other appraiser, including
all the board members."

Well, no, not exactly. As has been documented many times in the past, some of the rules do not apply to everyone, specifically including board members themselves.

I do consider the current North Carolina Appraisal Board (c-NCAB) to be an outrageously foolish criminal enterprise, an opinion of which is now on record via the "Tom Hildebrandt v c-NCAB case." By the way, the tactic of quoting me in court from selected pieces of my writings about the NCAB on AppraisersForum and on Boardwatch may have backfired since Tom's attorney explained to the judge during his closing arguments that the prosecutor may have "inadvertently provided the real reason for the charges against Tom, which was to get rid of a Board detractor." (Pretty close to an exact quote -- we'll see when the transcripts come out.) I am sure this attorney got it just right.

Again, on the upside, work towards improving the makeup of this board is coming along. A competent, honest board member was recently appointed to the Board.

Regards,

David C. Johnson</span>
 
I'm seeing a disturbing trend here in both David Johnson's and Tom Hildebrandt's cases. In both instances, the appraiser facing charges had upheld the property owner's best interest and more accurately named the true market value. In both cases, the appraiser charged had 'stepped on the toes' of a good ole boy appraiser affiliated through whatever process with political cronies of the NCAB.

Tom's case brings to light the means by which the airport had actually gone out of their way to diminish the value of Mr. Sims property in order to obtain it at a bargain basement price far below it's true value. In practice, the airport had even encumbered Mr. Sim's property rights to sell over the years by scaring away potential buyers. Not sure of the exact real estate law terminology, but wouldn't this be a form of slandering the title? Whatever term or aspect, no matter this property owner's rights had been greatly diminished by the acts of the airport. Tom Hildebrandt was the last obstacle in the way of achieving thier underhanded lowball taking of the property. He must be exterminated.

I am truly concerned about the manner in which the NCAB is operating and their blatant disregard and mistinterpretation of USPAP and I don't wish to distract from that which is at hand. What I do want to point out, and is equally as disturbing is the fact that the property owner's interests were both supported well by these appraisers. No one at the NCAB seems to be concerned about the property owner whom these appraisers served. Isn't one of the purposes of these boards to protect the state's residents from careless, fraudelent or incompetent appraisal work? Both reports under scrutiny upheld the best interest of the property owner, both were in disagreement with the GOB appraiser who missed the mark and took advantage of the property owner.

Upholding property owner's rights is one of the key elements to NAR's code of ethics and mission statement. Would this be too politically messy for NAR to become involved in? They are keenly interested in any legal issues which involve property owner's rights. Are any of these NCAB members Realtors? I know this side bar look doesn't help Tom's issue at hand, however it may something worth further investigation. Mr. Sim's case is even broad enough to possibly interest the Civil Liberties Union. Just some thoughts.
 
I like the way you think Caterina. Good analysis and good potential allies for Tom, David and Steven.
 
Caterina wrote: “Not sure of the exact real estate law terminology, but wouldn't this be a form of slandering the title? Whatever term or aspect, no matter this property owner's rights had been greatly diminished by the acts of the airport.”

Reply: The correct legal term Caterina is conspiracy to commit fraud. Deminishing the rights of a property owner is called theft.

Caterina wrote: “No one at the NCAB seems to be concerned about the property owner whom these appraisers served. Isn't one of the purposes of these boards to protect the state's residents from careless, fraudulent or incompetent appraisal work?”

Reply: You got it right in the 1st sentence. The only purpose the NCAB serves Caterina is to protect the status quo and keep outsiders out. Years ago I was in the Auction business. There was actually a local law in the city of Winston Salem, NC, which said outsiders could not conduct an auction in that city. It was overturned in court I believe. This mentality is the result of 150 years of one party rule. The correct legal term is political corruption.
 
The arrogance of these type of folks never ceases to amaze me. New Mexico also has it's share of corruption and crooked politicos. Fortunately, they don't seem to hang out at the Appraiser's Board. Our Board is sllllloooower than the second coming of Christ at getting around to things, but what I have seen them do appears to be fair and judicial.
 
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