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Need Help with ANSI/Below grade, hold the snark please!

Multiple offers on an oddball property means the oddball features are accepted by buyers - what is "subjective" about that?

Appraisers are supposed to analyze the market, not ignore it.
Multiple, as in 1 acceptable and 3 unacceptable, in this case. So what. What price were the other offers at? The appraisal problem is valuation. The question is not, "will anyone take it." The questions are, will it be discounted due to the atypical layout and, if so, by how much. There is one in my market, typical in every way compared to surrounding properties except the basement kitchen. It has sold every time it has been listed. For a significant discount. That is the question needing answered...acceptance at what price. That requires analysis, not subjective word games.
 
Multiple offers need to be considered in relation to an individual property - that is why appraising is unique each time out and not generic.

Muplie offers on a normal property are often a clue that the contract may be a higher price due to stimulus ( unless the listing agent underpriced a subject ).

But in the case of an oddball property where funct obs is suspected, it shows buyers are accepting the flaw and want the property anyway.
You stated in a previous post that the fact that there were multiple offers indicated that there was no negative adjustment needed. Please explain that logic when 1) The OP stated that there has not been a sale of a property with a similar functional issue. 2) The OP stated that the subject is the only livable home in neighborhood priced below $200K. Which would indicate that other livable homes in neighborhood sell for more than $200K. Without a sale of a home with a similar functional problem. Where do you get the data to justify no adjustment
 
You stated in a previous post that the fact that there were multiple offers indicated that there was no negative adjustment needed. Please explain that logic when 1) The OP stated that there has not been a sale of a property with a similar functional issue. 2) The OP stated that the subject is the only livable home in neighborhood priced below $200K. Which would indicate that other livable homes in neighborhood sell for more than $200K. Without a sale of a home with a similar functional problem. Where do you get the data to justify no adjustment
I also suggested the poster reconcile at the lower end of value.

When writing on the board, not every statement is to be taken as absolute literal - unless one wants to spend hours on every post. Clearly the OP needs to think and still do the appropriate -
 
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Anyone with a rudimentary understanding of appraisal principles understands location doesn't change principles.
Excellent retort. Let's look at the above main point of said....."agitation" if you will, as an attack is what happened to the stupid tourist walking up to wild elephants.

The way I took what the other poster was referring to in regards to large swaths of data, was garnering it from non-competitive locations to that of the subject, which would skew the data. Which I agree with.

Going into different neighborhoods, with different median prices to that of the subject property, of course one would use the same principles of value to extract the difference of an externality to that of a quiet location. One method to do that would be of course, regression analysis.

That's my take on it anyways.

See? No need to lob insult grenades....
 
I also suggested the poster reconcile at the lower end of value.

When writing on the board, not every statement is to be taken as absolute literal - unless one wants to spend hours on every post. Clearly the OP needs to think and still do the appropriate -
It's hard to come to a consensus from all posters on the Forum from different states with the myriad of scenarios that appraisers run into.

Sometimes, the thread starter doesn't divulge all necessary information to make the correct ascertain. Take the op of this thread. Maybe he did do an extensive search for any and all types of functional obsolescence to garner a market reaction for the subject property's functional layout. We don't know. We can only advise an opinion based upon the details of the post or lack thereof from our past experiences of similar situations. And of course, USPAP, Fannie Mae guidelines, different methodologies, etc.

When all else fails.....bag on Fernando....
 
I had house this morning and realtor has it on MLS as 2 bedroom. I looked everywhere nearby for a 2 bedroom. I found 1 pretty close and 1 about 15-20 miles away. Subject has two front doors, so I think it was built as duplex. Very decent area. High demand area. Sits on 1.5 acres which is not common for the area.

None the less, I get there and there is a small bedroom on back which made it a 3 bedroom. I called the agent back and said hold on now. That room has a closet. Just no door to the closet. Probably wouldn't have mattered to me whether it had a closet or not. Could put armoir closet in there.

It suddenly became a 3 bedroom and I said "thank you Jesus".

Built in 1913. Many updates over the years.
 
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...the stupid tourist walking up to wild elephants.

The way I took what the other poster was referring to in regards to large swaths of data, was garnering it from non-competitive locations to that of the subject, which would skew the data.
If I were as sensitive as some, I might think I was just called a wild elephant and object! Maybe with a grenade!

What I commonly see in almost every post dismissing regression and similar analysis (almost always from someone who has never attempted using it, much less attempted to understand it, and certainly has no clue how enlightening the results can be), is some suggestion that anyone using it relies on irrelevant data from an unrelated market of unrelated properties using data that was dumped into their computer by regression gods and never seen or analyzed for accuracy or completeness, with the only input from the "analyst" being the push of a button. Many suggest that an appraiser can control the outcome by inappropriately selecting which data to include, and some are fond of saying, "you can lie with statistics."

I have never seen any criticism of regression analysis, or any argument against its use, that can't be applied, verbatim, to any appraisal method. Which begs the question, if your going to lie, cheat, and steal anyway, why would you invest time and money and effort into tools that net you less than an ordinary crook? In fact, most of the same vociferous, pontificating fools often report in other threads on the same day how some appraiser did the unthinkable while claiming to use their own favored techniques.

I fully believe I am better equipped to deal with any appraisal issue that comes along than most. If this forum is representative of my "peers", I dont have a single concern. My hope remains that someone will step up and make a sound, somewhat reasoned case that regression and statistical analysis should be eschewed in favor of "traditional" appraisal methods (maybe my only concern with that is finding a dinosaur to ride to inspections if I go this route), or some others, in addition to Bert, who will provide additional insight into what they are doing (a big ask given the chorus of ignorant idiots who flock like flies to stink on sh*t to drown the discussion in mindless, baseless, useless, ignorant, dimwitted commentary).

Unfortunately, no substantive discussion regarding advanced analytical techniques has taken place in this forum since Austin and Steven Santora and Bert Craytor and Artemis Fowl and Terrel Shields and Dennis DeSaix and George Hatch and a few others (sorry I missed you, I was focused on what you were saying!) attempted to enlighten appraisers (almost all pre-2008). The highpoint of recent discussions is certainly the recently minted, "I have never heard of a buyer spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to purchase a "datapoint."

Mind you, I have no interest in a one sided coronation of modern analytical techniques. Reasoned, intelligent, logical, sound arguments against them would be more useful. Those have proven about as common as dinosaurs in the 37+ years I have been looking, so far!
 
Many houses in downtown Memphis built around 1900 give or take 20 years have been updated and have closets in bedrooms that are like 1.5 ft deep and 3 ft wide.

They didn't have walmart back then. These were elite class in downtown Memphis.

Many used amoirs in that day in the elite class.
 
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