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Long ago there was an East Coast adage in regards to any prohibitive favorite, that went "I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that ..."

Follow the advice you get on the Forum about comp checks and you'll never make 1 cent in the appraisal business, I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut...
 
Larry,

While I appreciate your response and see your point very clearly, you are assuming things about my character that are simply not true. I would thank you to think a little before you tell someone to quit anything. This may be a philosophy that works for you but pressing it on others, especially those whom you do not know, is more than a little short sighted.

I do not wish to justify anything. I am only speaking on what your colleagues in the field are already doing. I don't want to do things in any particular way before I even learn how they are done. That is why I am here. Maybe I have come to the wrong place.

Larry if you are going to meet the up and coming appraisers in your field with the advise to quit, why even spend your twilight years wasted here on the www? :shrug:

Careful or I'll come to the Carolinas and take all your business.:peace:
 
Thanks Chris,

I appreciate the advise. I took a correspondence course and was not in a classroom but I am aware that any opinion of value needs a work file and that a "value check" is fancy for "work for free for me please". The problem is that I have met no less than 10 local appraisers (no trainees ), and all of them do this.

So what am I to think?

Don't worry. I plan to keep an ethical compass on the dash of my car.

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So what are you to think? That none have read USPAP or taken an actual in your face class or ALL are keeping USPAP compliant work files.

HMMMMM...somehow I doubt the latter.

Stick with the forum, get to know some of the "seasoned" California appraisers and find out what it really means to be an appraiser. As I said before, maybe both you and your friend will be able to learn something for the better of our profession.
 
I'm trying to find a way to abbreviate War and Peace, but somehow I don't think you'll be amenable to WaP. Regardless...

This forum is a resource. Research it for past threads on the topics that are of interest to you. If you can't find it, simply say so when you ask your question. You might want to think of it in terms of disclosing what you already did and didn't research on your own, kinda like a scope of work disclosure in an appraisal report.

What you see here is how appraisers talk to each other - we don't reserve one level of discourse for insiders and a different one for outsiders. I can guarantee you that if I were to commit a faux pas here I could expect to be called out on it posthaste.

In case you haven't figured it out already, it takes a thick skin to be successful in this line of work to begin with. Appraisers are conditioned to give people answers they don't like without backing down. We do it every day with our clients. Appraisers are not known for being all warm and cuddly.

Based on your description, your supervisor is a very junior appraiser in his own right. There are many on this board who would tell you that at this stage of his career he should be focusing all his attention on learning how to better do his job, not in trying to train and supervise a new appraiser. At only 2 years, he probably has yet to even hit his groove yet. It's the equivalent of kids having kids.

At any rate, you may take some comfort in understanding that regardless of what shortcomings your supervisor may or may not have, an individual appraiser (or a trainee) can always rise above their circumstances and put out a reasonable workproduct. All it takes is the desire to do better and the willingness to stick with an assignment and work it until the results are reasonable. Appraising isn't rocket science and it doesn't take a genius; but it does take someone who is self-motivated and who takes pride in doing the best they can do.
 
Larry,

While I appreciate your response and see your point very clearly, you are assuming things about my character that are simply not true. I would thank you to think a little before you tell someone to quit anything. This may be a philosophy that works for you but pressing it on others, especially those whom you do not know, is more than a little short sighted.

I do not wish to justify anything. I am only speaking on what your colleagues in the field are already doing. I don't want to do things in any particular way before I even learn how they are done. That is why I am here. Maybe I have come to the wrong place.

Larry if you are going to meet the up and coming appraisers in your field with the advise to quit, why even spend your twilight years wasted here on the www? :shrug:

Careful or I'll come to the Carolinas and take all your business.:peace:

I am not at all saying that you have poor character, or that you would steal money when nobody was looking. Sorry if that is the kind of character you think I am talking about.

I am talking about the kind of character traits like people who talk too much, or worry too much about their appearance.

You are too worried about how things LOOK vs how they are. I will give you credit, you are on this forum. That is a great start. But friend, in business, things are either legal and permissable or they aren't. Rather than ask a group what is legal and permissible, while at the same time trying to find a way to make it so...find out what the real deal is and adjust your reality to the facts and not the other way around.

My dad used to say" A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. I just don't sense the open mindedness necessary to bring about change in your way of thinking.

I am sure that you never do things that you think are wrong....I just see that you are able to justify some things that you think might be wrong.

And, by the way, I am 34, my twilight years are some ways off. I have just been doing this long enough now to say that I have seen plenty of people willing to use moral equivalence and say that is the way it is. But it isn't. That is the way people force it to be. Once you step outside of your circle of control, you will find there are other, better ways of viewing the appriasal profession, and the whole world for that matter.

Don't be so open minded that your brain falls out(no danger for you there) but don't make up your mind so tight as to not be influenced by the facts.

There is no room for situational ethics in an industry where the stakes are this high. You have to have your mind made up before your fee is on the line, or you will let the situation dictate the ethics in play.

When the bills are paid, say no... when the bills are late, find a way to justify it? I just smell on your posts that you are at risk---notice I say at risk, not that you already do---to make breaking the law and being professional, well....optional.

sorry. I really should stay out of the newb forum.
 
Please don't take this the wrong way. If there is any way to get back that job in the optical industry, do it tomorrow. Don't wait even a day. You have only breached the surface of the problems this industry has to offer. It's just not worth it. (Obviously my opinion)
 
Please don't take this the wrong way. If there is any way to get back that job in the optical industry, do it tomorrow. Don't wait even a day. You have only breached the surface of the problems this industry has to offer. It's just not worth it. (Obviously my opinion)

I second that......................

A 2 year appraiser training someone else is really not a good idea in my opinion but it happens.

DaveT in NC
 
Thanks for the replys.

The job I turned down was a pretty good one. But I am already commited and locked and loaded. I am doing this for the freedom to run my own business. That is the motivating factor. So with that being my chief motivation it would fly in the face of those that would assume from limited post content and questions that I have neither what it takes, or the fortitude to make ethical decisions.

The problem with opticianry (which I was one a while back) is that they were bullied by the Doctors, and Ophthalmologists into being the ones always blames for everything, but with no real power. Dare I say I have entered the Optician category in the real estate field.

I will make sure that I research a question before I post it. I am afraid I don't really have the option to be trained by a more seasoned appraiser and still make the living I want to make. So I am trying to be concientious and proactive about my involvement.

Thats it.

Peace
 
Good luck with that. I fear that your next posts will be about what to do with the letter the board just sent you...but... we will be here for you then too.

One last piece of advice from me...and I do mean the last, so you can count on that...

Every time you sign a report, say this to yourself.

Yes, your honor, that is my signature.... it helped me in the early days...some of the best advice I was ever given.
 
they were bullied by the Doctors, and Ophthalmologists into being the ones always blames for everything, but with no real power. Dare I say I have entered the Optician category in the real estate field.

Perhaps careers are like marriages. Some people keep on getting into bad ones because that's what they know.
 
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