Newbie Question

[NC Old Guy]

In some states, can't even have a trainee with only 2 years experience. Only problem is that it is about 15 years too late. Example of the nearly blind leading the blind which has been the downfall of the profession. And then, this newly trained person's main dream is to start his new business, when he gets his 2 years in, so that he can get his own trainees. Any wonder why "knowledge" is getting watered down?

The problem with correspondence courses is how the heck do you ask a question? When I was taking classes, over 2 decades ago the last time and 2 decades before that the first time, it was the class room discussions, the discussions at break, etc that took the sterile words of the text & made them live. Yep, I feel the same way about on-line classes as well. I would never hire a college "grad" that took all of his classes on line. How sterile!! Obviously, just my opinion. I don't mean to disrespect the op but dang!!

 

[warranpiece]

You guys are a piece of work.

If its that bad why are you guys even appraising?

To afraid to try something else?

Try not to pass judgment on those who sincerely seek council from those more experienced then them.

Peace out.

 

[warranpiece]

Leon

No offense taken in your post. I have no problem understanding how it is difficult to sit there and see the denigration of an industry you no doubt enjoy and have been a part of for 20 years.

These things however are not my fault.

I am making the attempt to think outside of only my personal experience and gain from those already engaged. But instead I am getting the ol orange in the sock treatment.

So what is the solution?

Why not help me to understand our position as a group and help a new person attempting to care do right by the profession instead of telling him to quit?

This is the part of things I don't understand. So any other thoughts guys? I am open!


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[Lee Lansford]

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He will ask them "What value are you looking for?"

That's worrisome!

 

[Lawrence R.]

Warren,

Hear me well when I say this. We can smell that your supervisor is improperly trained. We can smell that you like what he does. We can smell that you don't really want to find out that you are in a bad situation....you are looking for a way to justify your bad decision...now look, it isn't your fault, as Tim Evans says, you do not know what you do not know....we are trying to tell you how it IS...you are telling us how it SEEMS TO YOU.

There is no point in arguing about it, there is no point saying we are a piece of work...shoot, we are a friggin artifact, evidence of a way of appriasing long ago replaced by what you have been learning.

We are the proof that a more advanced civilization once existed.

There is really no point in saying that you are open...you aren't--except to say you are open for an argument. The problem is, noboody here really thinks that you have enough hair on your chest(other word intended), to even participate in a discussion about the merits and finer points of appraising...you are fit to sit there and listen while we discuss it and take notes.

If you are still here in 6 months, you will realize how misinformed you are, and how your initial perceptions were tainted by someone who knows very little about the profession.

Don't equate money, and the favor of lenders as an indicator of success...it can be...but it is also the trademark of someone who has traded in ethics and legality for cynicism and financial security.

You were never around this industry when we were all routinely called Independent Fee Appraisers...they don't call us that anymore, as too many people have signed over their independence to have a 2 yr record with no underwriters DQ'ing a deal.

There is only one kind of appraiser that would pride himself on that...Don't you see all the threads about going round and round with underwriters?

What do you think? All these appraisers are doing a bad job? Quite the contrary. They won't toe the line anymore and the underwriters don't know what to do with this resurgence of "independence".

No advice, as promised. Just an admonition....be quiet when the grown folks are talkin.

 

[George Hatch]

WaP,

You have two AQB-certified USPAP Instructors participating in this thread, not to mention a couple of other posters with 15+ years in the business. Your supervisor hasn't even been in the business long enough to see a complete economic cycle yet. You might want to keep the phrase "consider the source" in the back of your mind. Neither you nor your supervisor have been around long enough to recognize what you don't know about our business. IMO, your supervisor should be working as a subordinate to a more senior and more knowledgeable appraiser, not taking on trainees. Hopefully he is smart enough to have a mentor to turn to when he runs into something he doesn't know.

You need to recognize and acknowledge that if the reason an appraiser stays in a bad situation is because it's better than losing their shot at freedom and/or the amount of money that they want to make, then they are indeed choosing that over their professional ethics. It's called a "compromise".

Each one of us has to decide, every day, what type of appraiser we're going to be that day. Depending on the decisions we make we can either choose to be the professional or the donkey. The farther we get into this cycle of economic decline, the more donkeys are getting cleaned out of the business. Your decisions today will be of effect on your long term survival. Hopefully you will choose wisely.

As we said before, appraisers are not known for being warm, cuddly, nurturing and supportive. If you need that type of support you might want to reconsider how well suited you are for this line of work. On the other hand, if you have the drive and the character to do the hard thing when necessary this line of work can be very rewarding.

I love my work. I admire and respect any appraiser who is doing the right thing, which I would like to think is the majority of them. I detest the donkeys amongst us and I offer no apologies for that. Although a lot of people think they can do this job the reality is that not everyone is cut out for this line of work.

Above all, an appraiser has to be both capable and willing to drop the word "no" into a conversation on a regular basis. Our profession requires a judicious amount of negativity. That's why when newbies whine about appraiser negativity I don't consider that to be a bad thing. Toward that end, I sincerely hope you are also a "no" person.

 

[TC]

I don't think anyone on this board would discourage you to get into the biz if that's what you truly want to do. But spend some time reading all the newbie posts in the archives and you'll get a feel as to the future of this business.

TC

 

[Lawrence R.]

Cha? You know what?

Long ago there was an East Coast adage in regards to any prohibitive favorite, that went "I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut that ..."

Follow the advice you get on the Forum about comp checks and you'll never make 1 cent in the appraisal business, I'll bet you a dollar to a doughnut...

You are wrong. I will make about 47-50K in appraising. Of course, I had to take a 33K job with the assessor's office to do it, but heck, I kept my integrity, didn't have to make snide cynical remarks about "the real world", etc,,,

In my "real world" people of integrity find a way to maintain it, not just go along to get along.

Now, of course, I know that you are a lily white, perfect appriaser who never does anything wrong, I know. You were just speaking in general terms.. Surely you never abandoned your integrity in the way you are suggesting to warrn. I know you are just using sattire to make your point....sort of like how I am right now.

 

[Head Surfer]

This one is no longer productive as it is getting in to personalities of the posters rather than the original topic so I am closing it.