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CREATE A SEPARATE THREAD ON YOUR TOPIC BECAUSE YOU WON'T STOP AND THIS WILL GO ON FOR A YEAR.
Nobody is forcing you to read this thread. Last I heard, you do not run the board.

I was responding directly to points made in a post from George Hatch.
 
Nobody is forcing you to read this thread. Last I heard, you do not run the board.

I was responding directly to points made in a post from George Hatch.
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You can't stop please just creat a new thread on the topic and you and whomever can argue about AMCs for the rest of your lifes. You have no end goal and your just arguing for argument sake and it's not helping anyone.
 
We've talked about this ad nauseam in this forum. The concern is a diluted pool of experience that pulls the experience average down. A newly minted appraiser with no experience outbidding an experienced one by beating them on fee and turn time. A bank called me the other day complaining about their cheap fast appraiser that gave up on the assignment due to difficulty, it was a tricky one. I had bid on the job based on its complexity and knew where the other appraiser had erred immediately. Banks want the deals made and they want a fast and quick valuation with enough accuracy to minimize their lending risk. Using an automotive analogy, many of us are trying to sell high end vehicles at high end prices and are in a market that is predominately looking for runners. I started in this industry planning to quickly rise to the top based on hard work and quality and realize that I'm fighting for my life for the remaining good clients. With that said, I think this industry is too difficult for many people to handle fresh out of high school and there are jobs that frankly are going to make them significantly more money. I think a young person fresh out of high school would be better off going into the trades and taking online business classes. I also think that the Certified General field isn't going to be flooded with residential appraisers anytime soon. The licensing in my state still has the class requirements and the test requirement.
35,000 peeps about to lose their commercial driver licenses total CA and NV within a few months. Scary work IMO.
 
This is white washing it by using neutral words like "efficiency."

Taking a big portion of an appraisal fee as the way an AMC gets compensated, with appraisers having to "kick back" as much as possible by lowering their fee, is profiteering, not efficiency.

I agree the AMCs provide coverage and convenience. In that sense, it might be efficiency. I have no problem with a lender using an AMC. My issue is the lender should pay a COST to use the AMC, the way a lender pays a cost for accounting service, IT service etc . The AMC instead makes its money from a kickback of the split of the appraisal fee. The AMCs are not selling their service - they are GIVING their service free free of cost to the lender, since the AMC gets compensated from a fee split from the vendor. THAT is what gives the AMC its huge market share.

An AMC might keep $200 as a split off a $500 appraisal fee passed through by the lender. It cost the lender nothing; the borrower cut a check for $500 to the lender. Do you really think if a lender had to pay a cost of $200 from their own funds for the AMC service, the lender would pay that much? I bet a lender might pay $75 for processing a regular appraisal order by an AMC, and if they had to pay more, they would form their own panel.

BTWI does not care if a lender passes on an AMC hard cost to a borrower. I just think it is dead wrong for the AMC compensation to come off the back of an appraiser from the split of an appraisal fee ( (govt HUD bundled fee allows it )
When I refer to the efficiency of the marketplace I am not referring to the AMC process itself. I am referring to the marketplace which brings buyers and sellers of goods or services together.

Appraisers selling their services to local MBs (or direct engagement lenders) by cold calling or faxing or individual contact is an inefficient mode of marketing, but it does result in higher fees because those clients are dealing with the more limited number of competing appraisers - sometimes those clients "Close" their panels altogether and patronize appraisers based on the personal relationship.

Selling wholesale to an AMC is where we get into industrial scale vendor lists and where the economy of scale kicks in. An E-bay bid system "accept this assignment now to stop the bidding) would be even more efficient in terms of what it takes to bring the buyer and seller together. The hypersensitive marketplace will result on more volatility. Fees can increase of decrease on the daily business depending on how many assignments are coming in vs how many appraisers are competing. Mercury x 10.

The door-to-door vegetable seller (labor intensive, prices are higher)
Veggie booth at the local Farmer's Market
Wholesale to the local bodega
Wholesale to the distribution center
Wholesaler buys the entire crop prior to harvest
Investors trade veggie futures electronically on the stock exchange; they never even see an appraisal. That's what some of these suits have been trying to bring in.

Each of these are examples of less efficient to more efficient marketplaces. That's what I was referring to. I wasn't inferring some moral judgement on how the increased efficiency at the AMC/lender relationship operates. I'm not whitewashing or gaslighting anything. This is what they're doing, and their motivation for doing so is to squeeze the most blood they can out of the turnip; the appraiser is just one element of that turnip.
 
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We got into this tangent because expanding/contracting the supply of appraisers will be of effect on the fees. And because there's some disagreement about whether it is the role of the state licensing programs to function as a barrier to entry into the profession for the express purpose of protecting the economic interests of the incumbents.
 
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No College Degree to drive trucks so that subjects already fixed.
 
When I refer to the efficiency of the marketplace I am not referring to the AMC process itself. I am referring to the marketplace which brings buyers and sellers of goods or services together.

Appraisers selling their services to local MBs (or direct engagement lenders) by cold calling or faxing or individual contact is an inefficient mode of marketing, but it does result in higher fees because those clients are dealing with the more limited number of competing appraisers - sometimes those clients "Close" their panels altogether and patronize appraisers based on the personal relationship.

Selling wholesale to an AMC is where we get into industrial scale vendor lists and where the economy of scale kicks in. An E-bay bid system "accept this assignment now to stop the bidding) would be even more efficient in terms of what it takes to bring the buyer and seller together.

The door-to-door vegetable seller
Veggie booth at the local Farmer's Market
Wholesale to the local bodega
Wholesale to the distribution center
Wholesaler buys the entire crop prior to harvest
Investors trade veggie futures electronically on the stock exchange

Each of these are examples of less efficient to more efficient marketplaces. That's what I was referring to. I wasn't inferring some moral judgement on how the increased efficiency at the AMC/lender relationship operates.
It was, and is efficient for appraisers to market directly to lenders- I did it for my group of clients then, and now-most appraisers just need a handful of clients who give them repeat orders.

Wholesale is not a good match for appraisers because we can not scale up in volume the way farmers or manufacturers do. The economy of scale only works for the AMC while it harms the appraiser, who has to give up a huge amount of their fee to get work from the same client they had direct, before the HVCC led to the insertion of the AMC as a middleman/third party.
 
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We got into this tangent because expanding/contracting the supply of appraisers will be of effect on the fees.
No she just wants to banter and her minds made up and closed so what's the point. Get her focused on the Topic that Joyce Pott"s Started otherwise it's going to be watching her go on for ever and then I will have to take it off topic to some other conspiracy like the Russians are controlling the AMCs....Lmao.
 
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