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Numbers Game: Find Lender Who Will Accept Appraisal

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Now thats funny Larry.

Leon, I tend to agree with what you say. But think about this. Who's going to take the blame for the next S&L type fiasco if appraisers are eliminated?
 
Ladies and Gentlemen: Thank you for your responses regarding the aforementioned issue.

You made my day!! :D :D :D :D :D :D

[There is nothing like good teamwork.]

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CLedet;

AVM's - will become the new scapegoat- they're already in place :lol:

As for previous -S & L - bailout, everybody that brings up the issue fails to bring out the real point, it had minimum at best to do with the appraisals- it had to do with GREED :!: Bankers, were like little puppies that just found a bag of steak bones, they couldn't find a whole to put it all into, they let it all happen without a question. Only problem was, they forgot about the fat cats that run the USA, and when they stepped in and decided to pull the plug, they knew what would happen, it's called a business decision. Now look how the Lending Industry has grown since the late 80's- mid 90's; now who or whom do you think had/has the ability to bring on New money players like these we have now :?: :?:

Robert Bruss; has been writing his opinions regarding Real Estate for over 25 years that I know of; his writings are his opinion of a particular issue, sometimes it's good advice and sometimes it's not so good. Hey to have been around for 25+/- years, some of it hasa to be real :roll:

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Not to be contrary on this, but the guy is expressing an opinion. Other than incorrectly dating the S&L fiasco in the 1990's, everything else in the reply is arguably correct. He did not say or imply the other appraisal actually was right, he only told the letter writer to take the higher appraisal to another (more receptive) lender.

I wish Mr. Bruss would have pointed out that a $5,000 spiff above every other offer would not normally constitute "market value" as we define it. I wish Mr. Bruss had mentioned the fact that a lender is entitled to choose which appraisers they accept work from, and indeed, is held accountable by the feds for the appraisals they take in. I wish Mr. Bruss had put the problems of the appraisal industry, which do exist, in context by mentioning that individual performance varies among every profession, including the practice of Law. I wish Mr. Bruss had not opined that experienced appraisers do not understand federal laws and regulations pertaining to appraisals because I think that, as a group, we do.

He does have some space limitations in his columns, and his brief reply was not totally out of line or unjustified. There are other things about appraisers that he has said in his column over the years with which I disagree. I get the impression that he regards us as an impediment to his 'wealth-building-through-real estate' programs, but what's new? I'm sure Dave Del Dotto and his other late night infomercial buddies don't care too much for professional appraisers, either.

Our biggest enemy is not Mr. Bruss. It's appraisers who don't follow the rules and the clients who use them.


George Hatch
 
lender is entitled to choose which appraisers they accept work from, and indeed, is held accountable by the feds for the appraisals they take in.
Oh would that they WERE held accountable :twisted: How many mainstream lenders have you heard of recently or EVER, sanctioned for pressuring ethical appraisers or consistantly cherry picking the blind and morally weak appraiser segement?

I wish Mr. Bruss had put the problems of the appraisal industry, which do exist, in context by mentioning that individual performance varies among every profession, including the practice of Law.
Yes but in Law and MOST other businesses many of the poor quality individuals are placed in direct competition with competent persons, and thus weeded out through market action!

In our business as currently run, numberhitters recieve great rewards, with little or no possiblility of adverse action :evil: :!:

And finally:

Our biggest enemy is not Mr. Bruss. It's appraisers who don't follow the rules and the clients who use them.

George: ponit a I concurr with, but I respectfully disagree with the wording of the second sentence.
How about:
"Our enemy is: the clients who USE appraisers who don't follow the rules (and secondarily the lowlife appraisers who bend and break those rules).

To the extent as you indicate that the enemy is US, I agree, but given the economic reality and difficulty in self policing as commented on in another thread on this forum: it appears that the golden rule will drive out competent appraisers regardless of how ethically they perform their own tasks... Unless we also take very seriously and to our own detriment the policing function! few business pople can function under such restriction:

I am starting to believe that the policing function should NOT be in the hands of individual states or personell, and the complaint process might better be served if on an out of area basis.

Perhaps selecting two local appraisers to review any given report on which there is a complaint. Pay a nominal or reasonable fee for the reviews, and if the complainant is found to be false/fraudulent, bill the complainant. If two of three result in significant discrepancies then an additional level of formal review? Rotate the reviewers, and I would be willing to bet the profession would clean itself up in a hurry. I would be willing to bet that you could run it like jury duty: nominal fee for review and you do your civic share in donating some of your time to the process.

National rules ? This is its' own set of worms, however local biases and good old boy systems however innocent run counter to the ethical requirements of this profession!
 
George --

You are deliberately overlooking the Homeowner's self-sabotaging clause:

"... My husband and I really wanted the house. We wrote in our offer we would pay $5,000 more than any legitimate, competitive bid ..." [Emphasis mine.]

That weakens the Attorney's comments about us big, bad appraiser people. You're remarks imply that the Homeowner's winning bid is the fair market price of the house, which is what the Attorney alleges.

I interpret the word "legitimate" above to mean "fair market."
 
Cledet:

What makes you think that someone will have to assume responsibility for any future S/L Crash, when (other than a few underlings or minor players) no one assumed responsibility for the former S/L Crash. Most just took the money and ran.

Leon
 
Larry,

I did give some consideration to the buyer's unusually high motivation to buy that property:

I wish Mr. Bruss would have pointed out that a $5,000 spiff above every other offer would not normally constitute "market value" as we define it.

As another response on this thread indicated, neither I nor anyone else on this forum really knows which value, if either, is correct. We tend to assume the lower value is correct because we abhor number hitters, but bowing to a client's desired result is a phenomenon that can happen in either direction. It is just as much a violation of ethics to lowball a property as is is to hit a high number. The first appraisal might be the wrong one for all I know. Another possibility is that no ethical violations have occurred in either appraisal. A high value range for the property's market segment and a lack of homogenous comparable data might have conspired together to result in value opinions that were properly developed, but simply differ between two professionals.

I will say this: Assuming the property is a relatively standard property and adequate data is available (something none of us knows in this case), there shouldn't be much of a variance between the two value opinions. If both appraisers had done their job properly in the first place, the buyer wouldn't have had a legitimate reason to complain about the lack of uniformity between appraisals.

George Hatch
 
Wow, you folks really know how to dissect an issue. Let me just add a comment to Jtrotta's,

Robert Bruss; has been writing his opinions regarding Real Estate for over 25 years that I know of; his writings are his opinion of a particular issue, sometimes it's good advice and sometimes it's not so good. Hey to have been around for 25+/- years, some of it hasa to be real

I've read Mr. Bruss "opinion" (that's a nice description, say something nice or say nothing, eh) columns for maybe 15 years in the LA Times. Yeah sometimes good, others, like this one, lousy. Oops, not nice. :P

He does not appear, based on my readings, to be much of a friend of the appraiser. Perhaps he should take an appropriate appraisal course or 2, and see what it is about. These buyers did not have typical motivation, they're willing to pay extra. $5,000 over market is $5,000 over market (if that be the case). Not the appraisers fault. Let the buyer pony up the extra cash, or go to a higher LTV and rate. :!:

Robert Bruss, if you read this, no flame intended. Well maybe just a spark. :D I would truly appreciate your comments regarding the issues in this thread, and I'm sure the other fine appraisers here would as well.
 
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