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NY Appraisal Board Meeting 10-05-2007

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David Wimpelberg

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Hi Everyone,

The meeting was public, but some info may not see the light of day in newsletters and such because they are still under discussion, so I figured I'd post a summary here.

I went with a RA, and we both got to meet Ernest. He's very professional and personable. We ended up speaking to him beforehand for at least 15 minutes, maybe longer, and then again after the meeting. We'll be speaking again in the near future.:)

The meeting was held in a large boardroom, with a large table in the middle, and chairs all along the outside. The Board, RA's, Department Staff, and yours truly got to sit at the table. An observer from the AG's office and some other folks sat around the outside. Overall, not many public observer's/appraisers were there.

I basically observed when the meeting was in progress. First time for me…next time I’ll have a clue.

Some of the board members did discuss the trainee situation beforehand. I suspect this matter will be brought up in the future, especially since one was all fired up about it.

The issue of the new AQB education requirements was brought up, and is interesting. This will be clarified by the DOS in the future. The current courses, for the most part, don’t line up with the new courses, with the exception of R1, and possibly R2. What that means is that there will be problems when upgrading.

Let’s say you are going for your general cert. You have taken every course except G3 before 01-01-2008. You now fall under the new requirements. None of your G courses will likely have equivalents, and possibly only one of your residential courses. It’s all out the window…that means you will have to take all the new commercial courses and possibly several residential courses in order to upgrade.

Discussion went on about online education…nothing groundbreaking there. Between that conversation and the paperwork I have, it seems like that are going to make a greater effort to verify the person is online and the time taking the course. I tried to poke my head in there, but Jodi made my point so I dropped it. I suspect they will eventually set up the courses like they do for the salesperson/broker CE. In those classes, the course is dictated, and once has to constantly click to continue. The courses are also timed. If one doesn’t click after a certain amount of time, the clock stops. Because of the audio track, the clicks, and the clock, one can’t simply fly through those courses.

Certain amendments to the law were suggested. One, which I agree with, deals with market analysis typically performed by RE Brokers or Salespersons. If the valuation conforms to standards 1 and 2 of USPAP, then experience credit can be awarded. Mary Brower (Tony’s mystery person sitting in front of me:) ; she knows my dad well) piped in and stated that conformance with Ethics and Competency provisions should be made, and the Board agreed.

The issue relating to “inactive status” for military status and medical leave was brought up. Apparently exceptions can’t be granted without help from the Feds, which doesn’t seem to in place (I personally think that is ridiculous…there is no excuse to require appraisers deployed in combat to have to renew or do continuing education during that period). One solution they may implement is to simply reduce the fines for these fine folks…to $1.:coolsmiley:

A limit for the time education would be valid was discussed. Currently there is no limit, though supposedly one was suggested in the past. Experience is limited, though education is not. Mary also commented on this, bringing up the point that for the general courses, they are given less frequently, and appraisers may even have to travel to take them. Thus limiting the education period to the experience period (five years) wouldn’t be realistic.

Overall, it was an educational experience. Every appraiser should go at least once to see what goes on at the higher echelons of the appraiser profession.
 

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We also got a folder with various things in it. I found the following interesting. These are Year-To-Date Pass/Fail States at the various test locations. Failure rates seem high. I took SREA and NAIFA course back in the day; if you could pass those, the cert test was a no-brainer.

License Res

Albany 13/13
Buffalo 5/4
Franklin Square 7/16
Hauppauge 4/6
New York 10/15
Syracuse 3/4

Total 42/58

Cert Res

Albany 16/7
Buffalo 5/6
Franklin Square 24/48
Hauppauge 25/39
New York 22/15
Syracuse 8/4

Total 100/119

Cert Gen

Albany 7/1
Buffalo 4/2
Franklin Square 4/3
Hauppauge 7/3
New York 14/6
Syracuse 0/2

Total 36/17
 

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And one last subject...Mike Kennedy is probably interested in this one.:)

NY appears to be stepping up enforcement; the Board quizzed Ernest on this. The number of complaints appears to be up, though the numbers, IMHO, aren't enough. I'm going to be sending several in, all of which are egregious in nature. I encourage others that have such reports to send them in. NY allows anonymous submissions is you wish. PM me for contact info if you need it.

It's important to remember that the DOS only deals with licensing. The worst thing that they can do is revoke a license for a year (though they could also deny a new license upon review). For certain cases, such as patterns of fraud, they may forward these reports to the AG's office. The AG may or may not decide to look into the matter further.
 

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License Res

Albany 13/13
Buffalo 5/4
Franklin Square 7/16
Hauppauge 4/6
New York 10/15
Syracuse 3/4

Total 42/58

Cert Res

Albany 16/7
Buffalo 5/6
Franklin Square 24/48
Hauppauge 25/39
New York 22/15
Syracuse 8/4

Total 100/119

Cert Gen

Albany 7/1
Buffalo 4/2
Franklin Square 4/3
Hauppauge 7/3
New York 14/6
Syracuse 0/2

Total 36/17

David,

Thanks for the information and filling us in on what we had missed...
Is Mary a member of the Board or was she just an observer??

looking at the above #'s we can see the doctors results...
 

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Thanks for the information and filling us in on what we had missed...

Is Mary a member of the Board or was she just an observer??
She's an RA (Regional Advisor)...Jo is also one. One of the things they do is review reports that were sent to state.

looking at the above #'s we can see the doctors results...
:)

You noticed that too?
 

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BTW, the failure rate is likely to increase short term. While many appraisers are rushing to complete the education requirements by the end of the years, many will be taking the new test after 01-01-2008, which is based on the new material. If one can't pass the current test or even knows the material borderline, they'll likely have no chance passing the new one.
 

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I am glad they are tightening up the testing. Far too easy right now...except for one local appraiser who has failed it 10 times now.....he has been a trainee for over 5 years now. well over 5...he really doesnt belong in the business. if he cant concentrate long enough to do the test, how can he concintrate well enough to decypher the data?

appreciate your info on the board meeting, Dave.

I want to meet Mary. she looks like she is willing to speak her mind to the board. :) but then as RA's we see stuff that is really horrible...

all the extra complaints that are coming in must be coming in for downstate appraisers, not western ny appraisers. My investigator, Dale said that he just isnt getting them in, not even in the syracuse area where i guess there has been plenty in the past.

I still beat my head against the wall and talk to local appraisers about turning bad stuff in. some are starting to come around but most do not care i guess.
 

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Heres a thought...Jo is it possible to change thge information section of the test answer sheet to include the schools that the test taker has attended, thus giving the State a better idea as to how their "Educational System' is doing???
 

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Heres a thought...Jo is it possible to change thge information section of the test answer sheet to include the schools that the test taker has attended, thus giving the State a better idea as to how their "Educational System' is doing???
that would be a question for the board or Ernest.

around here, i have found the quality of education quite high. we have Micossock that comes to town and another outfit in Buffalo (Cusack) that have some pretty sharp instructors. I would think it would be more prudent for the aspiring trainee to ask the school what their pass/fail rate is. if they dont have an answer you can figure it isnt good. kind of like no picture in the MLS of the kitchen. you can kind of figure the kitchen is not updated and ugly.
 

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BTW, the next board is likely to be January 11, 2007. That might be a good time for me...business usually starts slowing down in mid-December, which allows me a few weeks to catch up.

Fortunately I have a place to stay about an 30 minutes outside of Albany. So if any of you fine folks are there, maybe we'll get to say hello.
 
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