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Putting Vinyl over Asbestos

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Oh No Not Him

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Not sure if this is the right section but....when installing vinyl over the old hard ASBESTOS shingle siding, is the old siding left on? (typical installation)
 
Yes. Unless the asbestos is friable (crumbling) it's the better to leave it there.
 
Not sure if this is the right section but....when installing vinyl over the old hard ASBESTOS shingle siding, is the old siding left on? (typical installation)

Yes, if the old asbestos is attached securely. Otherwise, you have a massive cost for disposal of hazardous material.
 
Asbestos siding is non-hazardous in its current state, ie, on the house. It's when it gets disturbed that it can become hazardous. Put a layer of foam insulation or wrap over the old siding, then apply the vinyl. That increases the overall insulation factor and helps protect the old siding.
 
THIS IS IN NEW YORK STATE - SUGGEST CONTACTING YOUR STATE AGENCY

Some contractors believe that asbestos poses no problem as long as it is not moved. Once moved - or in this case, removed - fibers become airborne and that's what causes the health risk. State agencies, however, have strict guidelines for contractors, so don't take this project lightly. If it were my home, I'd probably choose to have it covered first with rigid foam insulation to provide a level surface and then have the siding installed over that. Removing and disposing of the asbestos definitely will cost more. There are some concerns with covering it, however. One is the difficulty in nailing through asbestos siding. It's a hard, brittle material, and normal siding nails can bend. The contractor you choose should be experienced in installing vinyl over asbestos. There are those who believe that pounding on asbestos shingles and driving nails into them also can disturb those pesky fibers. Whatever decision you make, be sure your contractor is certified by the proper state agency.

One step I'd take is checking with the state agencies involved in asbestos issues. In cases of exposure, certification of contractors and certification of testing laboratories, contact the New York State Department of Health, Division of Occupational Health, in Albany (518-402-7501). In cases of abatement and removal of asbestos, contact the New York State Department of Labor (518-457-1255). You also can find quite a bit of information on the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Web site (www.dec.state.ny.us).

How do you know if your contractor is properly certified and licensed to handle asbestos? Each worker who is certified by the state carries photo identification with an expiration date. If you want to be sure, ask the workers to produce their picture ID before starting the job.
 
THIS IS IN NEW YORK STATE - SUGGEST CONTACTING YOUR STATE AGENCY

Some contractors believe that asbestos poses no problem as long as it is not moved. Once moved - or in this case, removed - fibers become airborne and that's what causes the health risk. State agencies, however, have strict guidelines for contractors, so don't take this project lightly. If it were my home, I'd probably choose to have it covered first with rigid foam insulation to provide a level surface and then have the siding installed over that. Removing and disposing of the asbestos definitely will cost more. There are some concerns with covering it, however. One is the difficulty in nailing through asbestos siding. It's a hard, brittle material, and normal siding nails can bend. The contractor you choose should be experienced in installing vinyl over asbestos. There are those who believe that pounding on asbestos shingles and driving nails into them also can disturb those pesky fibers. Whatever decision you make, be sure your contractor is certified by the proper state agency.

One step I'd take is checking with the state agencies involved in asbestos issues. In cases of exposure, certification of contractors and certification of testing laboratories, contact the New York State Department of Health, Division of Occupational Health, in Albany (518-402-7501). In cases of abatement and removal of asbestos, contact the New York State Department of Labor (518-457-1255). You also can find quite a bit of information on the New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Web site (www.dec.state.ny.us).

How do you know if your contractor is properly certified and licensed to handle asbestos? Each worker who is certified by the state carries photo identification with an expiration date. If you want to be sure, ask the workers to produce their picture ID before starting the job.


You gotta love a country where you have to have a photo id to do construction work but not one to vote .... :laugh: Lets hope they dont start making appraisers wear photo ID.

Very good advice Mr. Kennedy.
 
BTW, for anyone considering removal, EPA fines for released asbestos is $10k per day. You need special permits, etc. Best to leave it there if it's not falling off or falling apart.
 
Leave it alone. It does a great job of fire protection.
 
As far as I know, a homeowner can remove all the asbestos they want to, in any manner they want to. It can be disposed in a normal landfill. Professional asbestos abatement companies dispose of it in landfills. I removed asbestos as a summer job in college, not fun.
 
As an old builder I put up miles of asbestos during the 50s, it's actually a pretty good material, I'd much rather have asbestos siding than vinyl siding. The time will come that vinyl siding will be classified as a greater health risk than asbestos siding, in fact today is the day that PVC was suppose to be banned in all toys used by children under 12 years of age because of the phthalates in vinyl. Read about it.
Originally Posted by S. F. Chronicle
Last summer, Congress passed the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act, which imposed tough standards for lead and certain chemicals, called phthalates, in products for children age 12 and under.

The standards were set to go into effect on Tuesday, but on Jan. 30 the Consumer Product Safety Commission issued a one-year stay of enforcement for some testing and certification requirements for manufacturers and importers of regulated products. The decision gives the CPSC more time to finalize four proposed rules that could exclude some materials and products from testing and issue more guidance on how testing is to be conducted.

However, retailers are still not allowed to sell the products, causing some uncertainty.¹
PVc is being banned in most of Europe now, asbestos is fireproof, vinyl burns like crazy, we are playing this Sam Suds video in kindergarten.




¹ http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...sn=001&sc=1000
 
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