Question and a gross story

[AnonApprsr]

I'd probably scream like a little girl.

 

[GCJim]

Ditto Wayne - you might want to check with your doctor about whether you need to do anything about having inhaled dust from bat droppings.

ResiGuy,

I would also ask the good doctor if you need to do anything after EATING bat crap.

GREAT PICTURES! Based upon the photos tho, I gotta believe that the attic plate was holding WAY more than 5 pounds of the fertilizing stuff!!How much do you think you actually ate ?

Question: How long did this infection.........I mean.......uhhh..........this inspection take?

Great Posts, Res, and a great story........I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

 

[residentialguy]

I will call for removal and cleanup, but would you guys consider the bat problem as an adverse condition that affects livability of the property? I wouldn't think the appraisal needs that bomb dropped on it, since you would never know they were there unless you went into the attic and it is going to be repaired anyway.

 

[residentialguy]

ResiGuy,

I would also ask the good doctor if you need to do anything after EATING bat crap.

GREAT PICTURES! Based upon the photos tho, I gotta believe that the attic plate was holding WAY more than 5 pounds of the fertilizing stuff!!How much do you think you actually ate ?

Question: How long did this infection.........I mean.......uhhh..........this inspection take?

Great Posts, Res, and a great story........I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

Yeah, I have to laugh at myself, too. FYI - that guy is not really me...I didn't look quite that bad.:laugh:

There was probably about a foot of poop on that 12x15" board, so it probably weighed less than 5 pounds....but yeah, more then 5 lbs in the attic

 

[GCJim]

I will call for removal and cleanup, but would you guys consider the bat problem as an adverse condition that affects livability of the property? I wouldn't think the appraisal needs that bomb dropped on it, since you would never know they were there unless you went into the attic and it is going to be repaired anyway.

I would call for removal and cleanup......I think it goes without saying that it is a health and safety concern, and if the situation were left to continue, it could become much more serious than it is. (Those bats have babies, invite more bats in, then go and make lots more bat guano, bat guano dust, etc, etc, etc.)

 

[David Dyal]

Note: bat poop is a health issue for HUD. FHA requires to call for a new roof if is is suspect. They can then get a state certified roofer to inspect & sign off if it is OK>

 

[Deleted member 77547]

Histoplasmosis primarily affects a person's lungs, and its symptoms vary greatly. The vast majority of infected people are asymptomatic (have no apparent ill effects) or they experience symptoms so mild they do not seek medical attention. If symptoms do occur, they will usually start within 3 to 17 days after exposure, with an average of 10 days. Histoplasmosis can appear as a mild, flu-like respiratory illness and has a combination of symptoms, including malaise (a general ill feeling), fever, chest pain, dry or nonproductive cough, headache, loss of appetite, shortness of breath, joint and muscle pains, chills, and hoarseness. A chest X-ray can reveal distinct markings on an infected person's lungs. Chronic lung disease due to histoplasmosis resembles tuberculosis and can worsen over months or years. The most severe and rare form of this disease is disseminated histoplasmosis, which involves spreading of the fungus to other organs outside the lungs.

 

[Mr Rex]

If you start to see strange lights at night, get to a doctor ASAP.

 

[residentialguy]

Note: bat poop is a health issue for HUD. FHA requires to call for a new roof if is is suspect. They can then get a state certified roofer to inspect & sign off if it is OK>

Yeah, the problem is where do I draw the line on this. I was going to put this all under condition of property area. Should I separate the bat issue and put the bat problem under the next section as an adverse condition that affects livability of the property? Never run into this before...at this magnitude, anyway.

Here are my comments.

PROPERTY CONDITION
The subject does not meet all FHA\HUD minimum guidelines.
The subject was built in 1884 (pre 1978) and subject to lead paint.
*Areas were found with peeling, chipped or flaking paint include: various exterior areas, door and window trim, and some areas of soffit and fascia. (see photos)
*Exterior damage: holes were found in the soffit/fascia and siding that allow risk of water damage and infestation on house and garage. (see photos)
*Upon inspection of the upper level, there were signs of water damage - staining on the ceiling (see photo). This may have been caused roof leaking or possibly from bat urine. The source is unknown and it is unknown if the problem still exists. The appraiser is not an expert in this area and due to the bat infestation, was unable to investigate further then the attic skuttle. I recommend further investigation by a roof specialist, however this is left to lender's discretion on whether to hire a expert in this area to ensure a problem does not still exist.
*Upon inspection of the attic, it was found to be infested with bats. Much bat guana was found on the attic floor and bats were seen on the interior of the attic roof. (see photos) These are a safety issue with possibility of disease, such as Histoplasmosis. Guano, including attic floor insulation should be cleaned up and all bats removed with all possible entries sealed. There are 3 attics and 2 were inspected, both showing bat infestation. The 3rd attic was reported to have prior bats and was sealed, thus not opened out of concern for safety.
REPAIRS NEEDED: All attic areas must have bats removed, bat guana and urine cleaned up, including removal of attic floor insulation and all possible bat entries are to be sealed. Any areas of leaks found in the attic/roof must be repaired. Any holes and rotten wood on the exterior of the home must be repaired. Repair is required for property to meet HUD/FHA minimum property requirements (MPR). FHA approved encapsulating paint (that conforms to ASTM Standard E-1795) should be used on lead based paint issues and all loose paint chips are to be removed from site and properly disposed by contractors certified in handling lead base paint.
Total cost to cure is approximately $10,000 and may vary depending on actual damage found by professionals. Cracks in the mortar on the exterior walls were observed (see photos) and are common in older homes. However, the appraiser is not an expert with regard to cracked exterior issues and the client, if concerned, should consult an expert in this area to assure the cracks are not a problem of the structure and/or foundation of the subject property. This appraisal is subject to repair. Final inspection is required. Typical physical depreciation. There was no functional or external obsolescence observed. Home has some deferred maintainance. Quality of construction is average. The roof was found to have over 2 years life left. All utilities were tested and functioned properly according to FHA guidelines. FHA permits an "as-is" appraisal for existing properties that serve as security for FHA-insured mortgages when minor property deficiencies, which generally result from deferred maintenance and normal wear and tear, do not affect the safety of the occupants or the security and soundness of the property. FHA no longer requires repairs for these types of minor cosmetic deficiencies to bring a property into compliance with FHA Minimum Property Requirements. No other necessary repairs or conditions were observed. However, the observed condition of the physical items which comprise the subject property are based on a visual inspection of the component exterior surfaces only. No detailed mechanical or structural analysis is deemed to be implied and any opinion expressed by the appraiser as to the condition of components are to be considered preliminary only. Any condition comment contained herein is not to be taken as a guaranty that a problem does not exist.

 

[VegasWayne]

The signs of water damage on the upper level may be staining from bat urine. If you have enough guano and urine damage the structural integrity could be affected. The ceiling could collapse under the weight and shower the occupant with guano.