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Your mentor needs to have a conversation with the firm's clients...I would suggest that he track down and speak with the chief appraiser at each client and explain what you are trying to do.

Good advice!
When I ran my fee shop, because of the rapport with the clients, I had no issue of getting upgraded appraisers on my client's approved panel; sometimes the client would allow it only if they were working within my firm. But, if the appraiser was going to go off on their own (which I encouraged), I'd do my best to see if they could retain their approval even if not working for me.

Things have changed some since then, but it wouldn't hurt by asking your current employer to make those inquiries on your behalf.

Good luck!
 
I'm in the same boat, except just got licensed, so probably even less work available for me! I also work for a really small operation, and the plan is for my mentor to get me work, and retain a portion of the fee. The complication is that since we go through AMC's, we might have to clear it with the individual lender as well as the AMC. It is going to take some work, and we will undoubtedly have to go low on the fees since that might motivate the AMC's. However newbies need a home so I'm sure there is work out there for us. I am sure there are staff AMC's that will accept new appraisers since they can earn more by paying us less, but I would like to stay on the fee-side if possible. We'll see, good luck!
 
I'm in the same boat, except just got licensed, so probably even less work available for me! I also work for a really small operation, and the plan is for my mentor to get me work, and retain a portion of the fee. The complication is that since we go through AMC's, we might have to clear it with the individual lender as well as the AMC. It is going to take some work, and we will undoubtedly have to go low on the fees since that might motivate the AMC's. However newbies need a home so I'm sure there is work out there for us. I am sure there are staff AMC's that will accept new appraisers since they can earn more by paying us less, but I would like to stay on the fee-side if possible. We'll see, good luck!
Welcome to the Forum and congrats on passing your test! (y) :beer:

What you talk about regarding your mentor and the fee split is pretty common. I had a similar thing when I was working for a small firm. We had a handshake agreement; basically whatever time I put in as a trainee, I would stick with the firm (for a fee split) roughly the same time frame. Sadly I passed my CR test right in the middle of the recession (2/2009), but either way, kept my word and stayed with the firm until I went on my own 1/2013.

As far as going on your own and/or gaining new clients when you're newly licensed/certified, yes, that can be very difficult as you are probably seeing (I did when I first got my button and even once I opened my own company - single man shop btw)

I will talk about the "Volume Guarantee" (which is what I ended up doing for a while, but has many different "titles" depending on the company/AMC you work with throughout the industry) I'll be honest, it's pretty taboo on here and you will get a lot of criticism by many members/fellow appraisers for doing it. At the time, I did it because I didn't have many other choices and was trying to establish myself and earn money for my family. Thankfully I don't deal with it anymore and have moved on to better, higher paying clients, but will admit I was one at one time who accepted low fees to get assignments.

These "guarantees" vary from AMC to AMC, but the one I had (with ACT AMC) was for $250/report (SFH) with a minimum of 15 reports per month. At the time (2013, just starting my own company) this was a huge pay raise. Again, we were just coming off the recession and I was just starting out on my own, earning 100% of the fee! So having a $40k+/yr account from one client was amazing!

Bing, bang, boom ... it got old quickly. I stayed with it for a decent amount of time, and had some other clients, but they were my "main" one because of the guarantee. I will say, they did follow through with the 15+ per month and paid on time (although I still get charged a "tech fee" for each assignment), but there was a lot of updating and follow ups, etc that went into that $250 report. I always gave it my best regardless of the fee and feel I did not do "less" because of the fee. Now, years later and having learned more and more over these past few years, I still stand by that, although will add any "shortcomings" in my reports from that time were not because of fee but maybe lack of knowledge. I've tried to (and continue to strive toward) become a better appraiser any chance I get.

I don't begrudge any appraiser who is "trying to put food on the table" or any other reason for taking such an agreement. It's all a business decision. Thankfully I can say I no longer consider anything like that at this time. No one ever knows the future, though. I will say that it gets old fast and you pretty much are seen as an employee/staff member, but without the health care benefits, 401k, etc. I'll never forget one day calling in to update that I wasn't going to have a report in that day. It was first thing in the morning (9am ish) because I was so sick and couldn't stand up without getting dizzy, let alone sit in front of a computer and finish a report. All I got was "Ok, but when can we expect it?" :mad2:

Being on here (the Forum), hearing/reading others saying they say NO to such fees/agreements, "find better clients" and many other similar type posts...although frustrating to hear at the time and at times did make me feel a little like a "traitor" to the profession (undercutting other appraisers in my area on fee), did make me also ponder what these other "better clients" actually were. I can say that in the past few years, once I did sign up with other AMCs or direct clients and stated my fee was $300, $325, $350 (my fees are higher than that now, but just a few years ago, that was what I was offering)... and started getting assignments for these "higher" fees, that's when I started realizing that this "guarantee" wasn't that great. It really WAS only benefiting the AMC and NOT myself or any other appraiser. It starts to hit you that, even the difference of $250 vs $300 ... every 5th appraisal you do is basically "free" to the AMC b/c they're saving that much on each report you send. $250 vs $350 is almost every 3rd report being "free"!!!

Again, I don't begrudge nor judge you if you choose such an avenue ("guarantee" or "staff" appraiser) and it may be one of only a handful of options you have right now, since you're newly licensed, but I just wanted to share my experience with you. I'm 37, so was only 32 at the time when I took on the guarantee. I don't know how old you are, but I wasn't (am not) an "old timer" (no offense to anyone on here!) but I was getting burnt out keeping up with their constant updates, etc.
All the best to you. Salut' :beer:
 
It shouldn't be that big of a deal. By the time I got certified, my mentor was ready to retire. If I remember correctly, all it took was a letter stating I was taking over all operations. A couple of them wanted me to update the company profile with my information, but didn't get any real static from any of them. In my experience, many of the clients we worked with (some good, some bad) didn't call a single reference I ever provided, so I doubt they even read any of the sample appraisals I sent or even cared how much experience I had. The main thing they wanted to know was FEE and TAT.

One thing you might want to keep in mind is that some of the clients you sign up for may take over a year or even two years before they even look at your application but they do keep it on file so go ahead and sign up anyways for those clients that require 3 years and by the time you finally go off on your own you will have at least that much experience under your belt.
 
Welcome to the Forum and congrats on passing your test! (y) :beer:

What you talk about regarding your mentor and the fee split is pretty common. I had a similar thing when I was working for a small firm. We had a handshake agreement; basically whatever time I put in as a trainee, I would stick with the firm (for a fee split) roughly the same time frame. Sadly I passed my CR test right in the middle of the recession (2/2009), but either way, kept my word and stayed with the firm until I went on my own 1/2013.

As far as going on your own and/or gaining new clients when you're newly licensed/certified, yes, that can be very difficult as you are probably seeing (I did when I first got my button and even once I opened my own company - single man shop btw)

I will talk about the "Volume Guarantee" (which is what I ended up doing for a while, but has many different "titles" depending on the company/AMC you work with throughout the industry) I'll be honest, it's pretty taboo on here and you will get a lot of criticism by many members/fellow appraisers for doing it. At the time, I did it because I didn't have many other choices and was trying to establish myself and earn money for my family. Thankfully I don't deal with it anymore and have moved on to better, higher paying clients, but will admit I was one at one time who accepted low fees to get assignments.

These "guarantees" vary from AMC to AMC, but the one I had (with ACT AMC) was for $250/report (SFH) with a minimum of 15 reports per month. At the time (2013, just starting my own company) this was a huge pay raise. Again, we were just coming off the recession and I was just starting out on my own, earning 100% of the fee! So having a $40k+/yr account from one client was amazing!

Bing, bang, boom ... it got old quickly. I stayed with it for a decent amount of time, and had some other clients, but they were my "main" one because of the guarantee. I will say, they did follow through with the 15+ per month and paid on time (although I still get charged a "tech fee" for each assignment), but there was a lot of updating and follow ups, etc that went into that $250 report. I always gave it my best regardless of the fee and feel I did not do "less" because of the fee. Now, years later and having learned more and more over these past few years, I still stand by that, although will add any "shortcomings" in my reports from that time were not because of fee but maybe lack of knowledge. I've tried to (and continue to strive toward) become a better appraiser any chance I get.

I don't begrudge any appraiser who is "trying to put food on the table" or any other reason for taking such an agreement. It's all a business decision. Thankfully I can say I no longer consider anything like that at this time. No one ever knows the future, though. I will say that it gets old fast and you pretty much are seen as an employee/staff member, but without the health care benefits, 401k, etc. I'll never forget one day calling in to update that I wasn't going to have a report in that day. It was first thing in the morning (9am ish) because I was so sick and couldn't stand up without getting dizzy, let alone sit in front of a computer and finish a report. All I got was "Ok, but when can we expect it?" :mad2:

Being on here (the Forum), hearing/reading others saying they say NO to such fees/agreements, "find better clients" and many other similar type posts...although frustrating to hear at the time and at times did make me feel a little like a "traitor" to the profession (undercutting other appraisers in my area on fee), did make me also ponder what these other "better clients" actually were. I can say that in the past few years, once I did sign up with other AMCs or direct clients and stated my fee was $300, $325, $350 (my fees are higher than that now, but just a few years ago, that was what I was offering)... and started getting assignments for these "higher" fees, that's when I started realizing that this "guarantee" wasn't that great. It really WAS only benefiting the AMC and NOT myself or any other appraiser. It starts to hit you that, even the difference of $250 vs $300 ... every 5th appraisal you do is basically "free" to the AMC b/c they're saving that much on each report you send. $250 vs $350 is almost every 3rd report being "free"!!!

Again, I don't begrudge nor judge you if you choose such an avenue ("guarantee" or "staff" appraiser) and it may be one of only a handful of options you have right now, since you're newly licensed, but I just wanted to share my experience with you. I'm 37, so was only 32 at the time when I took on the guarantee. I don't know how old you are, but I wasn't (am not) an "old timer" (no offense to anyone on here!) but I was getting burnt out keeping up with their constant updates, etc.
All the best to you. Salut' :beer:

You have to do what you have to do I guess.... and everyone starts somewhere. In our market $250 seems low nowadays for a 1004 but not an exterior-only. When considering the high volume tactic we can't forget about revision requests, I assume they will eat me up at first as the AMC's have their way with me. I've got to factor that into the price.

"Find better clients" is a true statement and will always part of an evolving business. Nevertheless, what does that really mean? Does that mean find a better AMC or does that mean stay away from AMC's? What worthwhile opportunities are really out there for residential work if not using an AMC? Estate lawyers? Pre-appraisals for realtors looking to better market themselves as listing agents? Lenders who offer non-GSE loans?

I like the "Volume Guarantee" idea, it's better than starving. A good strategy might be to have several lower-paying guaranteed assignments from one client and bid high for the rest. We'll never land a high paying gig if we don't try. I've reviewed (as a trainee, or should I say assisted in reviewing) terrible, horrible joke appraisals only to see the fees were $500. That hurt, knowing that we gave quality work for lower.
 
Welcome to the Forum and congrats on passing your test! (y) :beer:

What you talk about regarding your mentor and the fee split is pretty common. I had a similar thing when I was working for a small firm. We had a handshake agreement; basically whatever time I put in as a trainee, I would stick with the firm (for a fee split) roughly the same time frame. Sadly I passed my CR test right in the middle of the recession (2/2009), but either way, kept my word and stayed with the firm until I went on my own 1/2013.

As far as going on your own and/or gaining new clients when you're newly licensed/certified, yes, that can be very difficult as you are probably seeing (I did when I first got my button and even once I opened my own company - single man shop btw)

I will talk about the "Volume Guarantee" (which is what I ended up doing for a while, but has many different "titles" depending on the company/AMC you work with throughout the industry) I'll be honest, it's pretty taboo on here and you will get a lot of criticism by many members/fellow appraisers for doing it. At the time, I did it because I didn't have many other choices and was trying to establish myself and earn money for my family. Thankfully I don't deal with it anymore and have moved on to better, higher paying clients, but will admit I was one at one time who accepted low fees to get assignments.

These "guarantees" vary from AMC to AMC, but the one I had (with ACT AMC) was for $250/report (SFH) with a minimum of 15 reports per month. At the time (2013, just starting my own company) this was a huge pay raise. Again, we were just coming off the recession and I was just starting out on my own, earning 100% of the fee! So having a $40k+/yr account from one cli

How do you feel about purchasing the AMC directory that comes out every year, I'm tempted, but do you feel I can find most of theses AMCs online?


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What do you think about purchasing this AMC Directory for 2018, It promotes that there are some of the top 10 AMCs, and over 300 AMCs, with direct contact information correct, website, etc? Or am I better off surfing the net to gather information ? Thanks in advance for your response .
 
That's exactly what I've been doing, Ive had a 2016 old version of this list, but when I started to go through and register, some of the AMC's were no longer open or wrong info, or some seem to be small outfits
 
I've also been trying to register on the FHA site, but when I get ready to submit my info, and ERROR screen comes up and says that there's something wrong with the server. IDK?
 
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