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Scope: the new rules....

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Frederick, .... I too await any answers to those few questions you asked (two posts above). The pre-comp-appraisal is going to rocket our traditional services menu at warp-speed. So, let's say it's a slam-dunk for the home of very young age in the very active and dense market area with abundant recent sales. That still leaves open the door for the ol' traditional reporting formats when properties are old, in bad condition, in sparsely-populated market areas and when few comps exist or even sold within a reasonably short window of time. Maybe we and our clients can have it both ways. The un-preferred side of it all is the rock-bottom fee which will be charged for the P.C.A. and the expected under-cutting of fees by appraisers who want a piece of the new action. Then, the client will want a P.C.A. with brief interior inspection.....just so we can be sure everything looks kind-of o.k. No problem, I hope, cause we'll gladly pay you that extra $10.
 
Don,
can you post a link directly to the course material as I was unable to find it at the site, I used the site search function as well.
 
Frederick, ..... While time is perhaps of your essence.....may I help. You say you searched the site function to no avail, but try again. (print out these few steps) Leave the Forum ! ......no, no, not forever, just for a little while. Get your I-net connection to the w-w thing and appr.fndtn.org -- you know. From the home page, 1) go to left side listing of links with the dark blue background, and go down to 2nd line from bottom saying Instructors Cert. Course-Concepts & Princ. of USPAP and "click"....2) on next page go down near middle to the 4 single words saying "for more, click here", and click... 3) get a page saying "Memo..." with Dec. 21 '01 date and again go about 1/2 way down to "click here" and click....4) now there are 5 lines of links with top one saying "Instruct. Cert. Course...." and below that four other lines of Appendix A through D. Click that top line !, and you're into the meat. Should get a PDF download of 115-page doc. When that download might be complete, put a floppy in the A-drive and copy it ! ....If you go to pgs. 89-93 you should get right into some good stuff which deals with the Scope issue.......and cruise from there. I hope you can access what you seek.
 
Ross,

Thanks, you have saved Frederick a lot of time.

Frederick, if you still have a problem, e-mail me and I will download it to a disk and e-mail it back to you.

Don Clark, IFA
 
Frederick,

I am doing a one day USPAP update on 9/15 in San Gabriel. This is part of the NAIFA SoCal Ed Conference. All are invited and you get two days of CE (Sat/Sun). Sat night is a dinner at which Tony majewski will be speaking among others. May interest you.

Coordinator for the conference is Tim Cullen of San Diego. Also special room rates, etc.

All are welcome- so if you want to get really into it and be the first on your block with the wide screen appraisal proactice, feel free to register.

Brad Ellis, IFA, RAA
 
Thanks Don and Ross, I got it and read it last night. Seems to me that nothing much has changed, as George has said "The thing is that we have always had this freedom, we just didn't know it. We spent so much time coming to terms with the basic framework we didn't recognize that the 'skins' we were using for developing and reporting appraisals was just that, the skin over the framework".

So it appears to me that the Departure Rule has been demoted, and in the words of the Concepts and principals of USPAP- An Instructors Application page 88 lines 2655-2665

"The ASB decided to keep the DEPARTURE RULE, though it was significantly altered by these changes. These changes prevented the DEPARTURE RULE from playing a major role in the scope of work decision. Instead of driving the scope of work decision, it is now subordinate to it and mostly a disclosure mechanism for specifying exceptions to Specific Requirements.
Since Departure relates only to Specific Requirements, it is not comprehensive enough to be used as a scope of work mechanism. Scope of work is driven by purpose and intended use. It is only after these identifications have been made that a qualified appraiser can determine the appropriate scope of work, as well as the appropriate Specific Requirements and the proper label (Complete or Limited) to use for describing the extent of the development process. "

One problem I foresee is getting the lenders to understand that the need to now (as they should have been all along) supply the appraiser with 5 of the 7 Key relationships listed in the Concepts and principals of USPAP- An Instructors Application page 91 lines 2791 -2797.

George, Ross, and Don, Am I on the right track here to understanding these upcoming changes?

Brad, I think I will attend, schedule permitting.
 
Frederick:
I have had a terrible time getting lenders to understand that I HAVE to know, and eventually came to the (possibly erronious) conclusion that it is POSSIBLE though not adviseable to proceed with an assignment citing 'lending decisionmaking' as the purpose.

I would appreciate any feedback from more guru folks on this 'out'... my reason for proceeding has been in instances where the client is concerned that I might be biased if they disclose whether a drive by appraisal is for pre-forclosure/2nd mortgage/ portfolio management purposes.

I am apparently the ONLY one who calls certain clients with requests for 'purpose' :roll: I know you are shocked :wink:
 
Frederick, ..... yes, I think you are on track, as much as I could say that I have a renewed perspective of what's on the horizon. You brought out a fundamental point in your last paragraph. The "Key Relationships" are, for use of no better word, key ! How do we get lenders to understand our new guidelines ? I'll bet the bigger and national institutions are already ahead of us on knowing them. It will be the smaller ones, the little town banks, who need to be up-dated. Sure, we could present (fax) anyone a page with the 5 or so "keys" we need to know ...... and say, "keep this as a master copy, duplicate as needed, and fill it out (legibly, please) and fax it along with your orders in the future." Is that accomplishable ? Better than that, this may be the very thing the U/W becomes familiar with and they now become our stronger link of communication with the client's team of participants. Here's our chance to eradicate that dreaded comment line speaking to "homeowner's estimate of value"! This communication chain is part of why I have been hawking the notion of a nationally-standardized order form for all major players to put to use. The mom-and-pops and hometown folks who want our services do not need to adhere to such a standard order...but the big boys, the AMC's and those proceding toward Federal oversight sure should get on board.

Lee Ann, .... No, you are not the only one who seems to be under-informed about the "purpose" as most of my orders are not clear on that. I have always resorted to asking homeowners that question during the business chit-chat at end of my observations and usually they are quite clear to express what they are going for in the venture. I state that understood purpose on my 1-page "USPAP Identification" sheet as last page of report. I like that page as it has a large open block of lines for spelling out Use / User / Scope.. / Conditions (client no want interior observation !) etc.
 
The need for appraisers to know the intended use of a report has been around a long time, long before 'Scope of Work' became the current buzzword. We have always been required to identify the Client and the purpose and the intended use of the report.

This doesn't have to be a big deal. Simply tell your clients that in order to give them the type of appraisal and report they need, you'll need to know what their intended use is. If they slough you off and say "its for a loan", then take them at their word and write your appraisal report up accordingly, "intended use is for loan purposes".

You shouldn't be operating off of verbal orders anyway. At least get your clients to engage you with a written order, faxed over or e-mailed. If its a little more detailed than all the better. The more they spell out what they want and expect from you, the more covered you are in giving it to them. Then they can't come back at you later and say they ordered more than they did.

Honestly, for those appraisers who are already including even a minimal Scope of Work disclosure in an attempt to comply with the current standards, they are already 95% covered; they may (or may not) only need to tweak what they are already doing. Just take your time, think your way through it for a few minutes and you won't have any trouble writing one up that will cover a good percentage of your work product. You'll need to make some minor adjustments to accomodate the different uses of your reports (there aren't that many different uses), so you may end up with 4 or 5 different versions. You'll likely only use 2 or 3 variations of one of them on a regular basis, depending on the type of work you are doing.

I'd take a stab at writing a 'standard' one up for anyone to use, but then it would get donwloaded and used everywhere verbatim, even for those uses it doesn't fit. If you write your own, you'll be familiar which details of it don't apply in its different uses. Actually, I already wrote one up for the mythical pre-comp assignment. You could probably take that one and make some changes. Whatever you do, use the right tool for the job.

Incidentally, the pre-comp thing was just thrown out there as an example, as one possibility. I didn't mean to get anyone worked up that it would somehow replace any comprehensive appraisal product because I don't see how it could be used for anything other than it's stated intended use. If an appraiser were going to do a desktop appraisal, they would want to build a more comprehensive work product, possibly requiring a grid analysis, inspection report and photos by a licensed home inspector, personal verification of all the sales comparables, etc. Such a process would not be cheap. The only reason I used the pre-comp thing as an example is that there are still appraisers out there providing such services for free and without any type of protection in the way of documentation and disclosures. Don't do that. If you're going to do appraisals on the quick and them give them away, at least protect yourself by doing them in a (somewhat) defendable manner.

As always, we need to figure out how to use these standards to provide our clients with the type of services that will serve their legitimate needs, and protect ourselves at the same time. Oh yeah, and make money doing it. I reckon that if we didn't do free undocumented appraisal work and resorted to a more legitimate product, that we would not only make a little more money, but would also do fewer 'wasted' appraisals where everyone is mad at the appraiser because the value didn't come in.


George Hatch


George Hatch
 
Frederick,

Yep- it's been there for a few years now and most of us did not know how much things had actually changed- and it certainly made many of us, me included, feel quite dumb.

If you get to the conference, do not forget to introduce yourself to me.

Best,

Brad Ellis, IFA, RAA
 
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