Some interesting ASC licensing stats for 2025

[chad hampton]

Civics 101

Your state's laws and regs are legislated by the state legislators. Not by the Governor or his appointees at these state boards. The legislators legislate and the governor enforces. So your allegation that the AMCs have pockets deep enough to buy appraisal board members in your state is kinda dumb. Their pockets would have to be deep enough to buy their way into the state House members (120) and state Senate members (50).

You don’t understand, that’s OK.

 

[chad hampton]

My first license was in Florida. I remember my first class where they talked about Florida law. The point was that Florida protects its citizens and their license holders by requiring you to satisfy their requirements and don’t offer basic reciprocity.

I don’t think it’s unreasonable too a board to expect their license holders too live in the state. Especially with local competency being such a major aspect of this job. I have no real problem with reciprocity otherwise.

 

[alebrewer]

I don’t think it’s unreasonable too a board to expect their license holders too live in the state.

I live in one state, have a credential in two, and do work in the adjacent state - as do many, many appraisers. More especially on the GC side. How would you police that?

 

[chad hampton]

I live in one state, have a credential in two, and do work in the adjacent state - as do many, many appraisers. More especially on the GC side. How would you police that?

I have no problem with that. I live 5 miles from the South Carolina border. If that’s your work area, good. What I have a problem with this appraisers being certified in 10 states and working for the AMC appraisal mills.

I would hope that if an appraiser in Texas applied for a North Carolina certification, the board would say are you moving here? If the answer is no, then why do you need a residential license here? As a board that is tasked with protecting the public trust, it’s not protecting our citizens by giving a person who has never lived here nor plans to ever live here a license to do business here when that business requires competency in a geographic market area.

Commercial appraisals are a different animal. If you appraise amusement parks, it probably doesn’t matter if you live by one.

 

[alebrewer]

I have no problem with that. I live 5 miles from the South Carolina border. If that’s your work area, good. What I have a problem with this appraisers being certified in 10 states and working for the AMC appraisal mills.

I figured that was the rub. So how far away - in your opinion - should someone live from a state before being turned down by that state for a reciprocal credential? 50 miles?

 

[chad hampton]

I figured that was the rub. So how far away - in your opinion - should someone live from a state before being turned down by that state for a reciprocal credential? 50 miles?

That's might be a good distance. There's a town 50 miles away from me in this state and I can't imagine anyone from there coming down even further south of me to go to SC. I'm fine taking it on a case by case basis. Maybe rural areas out west 50 miles is nothing?

I'd think we all can agree that there shouldn't be 4 states between you and the one you're trying to get a license in?

 

[alebrewer]

That's might be a good distance. There's a town 50 miles away from me in this state and I can't imagine anyone from there coming down even further south of me to go to SC. I'm fine taking it on a case by case basis. Maybe rural areas out west 50 miles is nothing?

I'd think we all can agree that there shouldn't be 4 states between you and the one you're trying to get a license in?

So my point is that its not quite as black and white as you're trying to make it. I know commercial guys that specialize in golf courses and marinas. Their market is the US. I know folks in Wyoming who think nothing of driving 100 miles each way for an assignment. There is simply no way to police all those contingencies, so you have to draw lines in the sand. They chose to draw the line at 'full reciprocity'. If I was an adamant proponent of limiting that within my own state, I'd be at all board meetings, I'd get scheduled time to speak, I'd work on getting on the board even.

 

[glenn walker]

You don’t understand, that’s OK.

No you don't understand you need some basic education on how the State Boards are governed.

 

[chad hampton]

No you don't understand you need some basic education on how the State Boards are governed.

You assume they follow the law?

I sat in a room with a revaa spokesman that looked board members in my state in the eye, pointed at them, and told them he would caution them against trying to enforce NC laws. Read that again if you have to. He didn’t say the law didn’t exist, he implied if you try to enforce them, his group would sue.

The civics we learned in school isn’t how the real world operates. Unfortunately.

 

[George Hatch]

You assume they follow the law?

I sat in a room with a guy that posts here from time to time that looked board members in my state in the eye, pointed at them, and told them he would caution them against trying to enforce NC laws. Read that again if you have to. He didn’t say the law didn’t exist, he implied if you try to enforce them, his group would sue.

If a board attempted to enforce a law or regulation or rule upon an appraiser that didn't exist in the manner being alleged then nobody would think twice about that appraiser suing the board to compel compliance with the laws as they actually do exist.

The point of such a lawsuit would be to settle the legal questions involved. That's a legal argument which hinges upon the "that depends on what "is' is" technicality. It's not a moral argument that hinges upon how people feel about the issue.

It's no different than if an appraiser or an AMC violated the law. Everyone would want that case settled on how the law actually reads, not how the board or the AMC or the appraiser or some appraisers-r-racists activist types wish the law actually required. Moreover, when it comes to disciplining licensees we would want govt to act with a certain amount of restraint when it comes to any ambiguities because getting it wrong exposes the state to monetary damages.

The function of the state appraiser regulator is to regulate the appraisers and the AMCs, not to advocate for one or the other. The State advocates for the State, not the licensees. Same as applies to your driver license.