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Standardized Property Measuring Guidelines

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The last thing I need is a user, not familiar with my market, telling me how I need to report my GLA to be in compliance. Per FNMA "lenders are responsible for confirming the appraiser provided an adequate explanation."

Sorry, Mr. Appraiser this is not an adequate deviation from ANSI. Please change the subject to 1,700 SF and provide a comp to bracket to the GLA, rooms, slab basement, etc.
They gave you a right to deviation. You can exercise that right any time you like. They can't make you go a different direction. Turn it around on them. So mountain homes all have no GLA?
A ranch with the full basement hanging in a tree is still a ranch with the full basement, it's just hanging in the tree. Adjust for the tree.
 

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If the house is built into the side of a hill, and there are finished basement rooms that are directly accessible from the above grade area, and they are similar in condition and aesthetics, and the fit in functionally with the above grade area, then they can be considered part of the finished living area or GLA. If you have to go through an unfinished area to get to the below grade finished then no, it is not treated like above grade finished. If it is unkept, with moisture and mold, then no.

And I have seen homes on the side of a slope with good drainage where only a corner of the basement is maybe 1 foot below grade, it has a couple of windows and the finished rooms are nice. It is rather difficult in such situations not to treat the room as above grade finished. And Fannie Mae allows for that.
In your example, I would disagree with you. You can't take a 1400 sf ranch with a fantastic full finished walkout basement... same quality as the GLA, and call it GLA, then proceed to compare it to 2800 sf homes. It's not a 2 story. It's a 1400 sf ranch with a finished basement that you would compare with other 1400 sf GLA foundations. Calling it GLA doesn't mean it has more value. Below Grade can have the same $/sf as GLA. But you have to compare apples to apples in design/function
 
They gave you a right to deviation. You can exercise that right any time you like. They can't make you go a different direction. Turn it around on them. So mountain homes all have no GLA?
A ranch with the full basement hanging in a tree is still a ranch with the full basement, it's just hanging in the tree. Adjust for the tree.
What good is a standard if you can invoke a deviation whenever you'd like? As I previously pointed out way back in the thread, virtually all measurements will be deviations, but no appraiser will actually say so. ANSI is theoretical in nature. It doesn't address the real-world constraints of measuring an existing structure, such as what procedure do you use when you get back around to the starting point and find you are off by eight inches? The ANSI-compliant answer is that the structure is not square or to remeasure until everything lines up on site. Reconciling and squaring our measurement with a sketching program, which is what we all do most of the time, is not ANSI-compliant.
 
What good is a standard if you can invoke a deviation whenever you'd like?
Well you have to have supported reason. Ansi is the best way 99.9% of the time. Standards are so that the user knows how the process went. But the best answer of appraisal will always be: "It depends"

As you know, I think there are other agendas going on. So I'm not a strict ansi law promoter to the 1/10th of a foot. Just silly. I doubt there are any appraisers here that know their own house measurements to the 10th of a foot, much less Joe the plumber.
What size garage do you have? It's a 12' x 20'
Noone will ever say 12.1 x 19.9.
 
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It could end up being a good thing if the industry adopts a standard....
It could help to eliminate the numerous complaints posted by AF members about the arbitrariness of reviewers....
 
Here ya go- Bi-level. Kitchen, dining living room etc in below grade level. Bedrooms Above Grade level

Right here in my Town
 

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Calling it GLA doesn't mean it has more value.
As a forumite once said, "Just because the cat had kittens in the oven, doesn't make them biscuits."

Locally, the convention is the assessor recognizes a finished basement as finished basement. The Realtors sometimes add the two together...not my problem.

Also, we don't have stacked "duplex" housing. If there is a finished basement as separate rental, it is an ADU.
 
What good is a standard if you can invoke a deviation whenever you'd like? As I previously pointed out way back in the thread, virtually all measurements will be deviations, but no appraiser will actually say so. ANSI is theoretical in nature. It doesn't address the real-world constraints of measuring an existing structure, such as what procedure do you use when you get back around to the starting point and find you are off by eight inches? The ANSI-compliant answer is that the structure is not square or to remeasure until everything lines up on site. Reconciling and squaring our measurement with a sketching program, which is what we all do most of the time, is not ANSI-compliant.

You have to be able to support your deviation, if asked.

You usually don't get asked, of course. But you could.

Field reviewers do exist, in case you didn't know.

And if your appraisal winds up in court, with a significant deviation from some other appraisers report, your reputation could be tarnished.

But do what you want.
 
Here ya go- Bi-level. Kitchen, dining living room etc in below grade level. Bedrooms Above Grade level

Right here in my Town

Second floor kitchens are common in some areas.
 
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