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Straight from USPAP value, price, opinons

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J Grant

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The below from USPAP definitions : This relates to the prior thread, where several said we give an opinion of price or a market value opinion is a price opinion...

APPRAISAL: (noun) the act or process of developing an opinion of value; an opinion of value. (adjective) of or pertaining to appraising and related functions such as appraisal practice or appraisal services. Comment: An appraisal is numerically expressed as a specific amount, as a range of numbers, or as a relationship (e.g., not more than, not less than) to a previous value opinion or numerical benchmark (e.g., assessed value, collateral value). APPRAISAL PRACTICE: valuation services performed by an individual acting as an appraiser, including but not limited to appraisal and appraisal review. Comment: Appraisal practice is provided only by appraisers, while valuation services are provided by a variety of professionals and others.

MARKET VALUE: a type of value, stated as an opinion, that presumes the transfer of a property (i.e., a right of ownership or a bundle of such rights), as of a certain date, under specific conditions set forth in the value definition that is identified by the appraiser as applicable in an appraisal.
9 Comment: Appraisers are cautioned to identify the exact definition of market value, and its authority, applicable in each appraisal completed for the purpose of market value.

PRICE: the amount asked, offered, or paid for a property. Comment: Once stated, price is a fact, whether it is publicly disclosed or retained in private. Because of the financial capabilities, motivations, or special interests of a given buyer or seller, the price paid for a property may or may not have any relation to the value that might be ascribed to that property by others.

Value is defined in USPAP as follows: “The monetary relationship between properties and those who buy, sell, or use those properties.” USPAP notes that “Value expresses an economic concept. As such, it is never a fact, but always an opinion of the worth of a property at a given time in accordance with a specific opinion of value. In appraisal practice, value must always be qualified – for example, market value, liquidation value, or investment value.”

My note : USPAP on PRICE : Once stated , price is a FACT, and Value as defined by USPAP above is NEVER a fact, but always an opinion, thus there is no such thing as " an opinion of price, or a price opinion. The two are mutually exclusive per above, under USPAP for appraisal practice and appraisers

( Note for people who are not appraisers and not under USPAP, they can use any words or terminology they want about values, prices, opinions , market value, etc )
 
JEEZUS...on a Harley..give it a rest. You are convincing no one except yourself.
 
JEEZUS...on a Harley..give it a rest. You are convincing no one except yourself.
? I don't have to convince anyone, USPAP does it - which is why I posted direct from USPAP so it is not about "my views "

What are you saying, that it is okay for appraiser to say they give a price opinion, or a value opinion is a price opinion ? ( when what I posted from USPAP on it is a No)
 
Value is an OPINION of what the PRICE should be - PERIOD. No need to respond - although I have no doubt you'll feel compelled to do so - as I will not engage this topic any longer. No matter how many threads you start on it.
 
Value is an OPINION of what the PRICE should be - PERIOD. No need to respond - although I have no doubt you'll feel compelled to do so - as I will not engage this topic any longer. No matter how many threads you start on it.
Wow. You will no longer respond but for others, this is USPAP on it :

PRICE: the amount asked, offered, or paid for a property. Comment: Once stated, price is a fact,

Value is defined in USPAP as follows: “The monetary relationship between properties and those who buy, sell, or use those properties.” USPAP notes that “Value expresses an economic concept. As such, it is never a fact, but always an opinion of the worth of a property at (see post 1, or read USPAP definitions for yourself at start of document )

Alebrwer can be annoyed , but what he wrote contradicts USPAP.
I am not spending time on this to prove people wrong or keep up a petty argument over semantics. Appraisers saying a value opinion is an opinion of price, contradicts USPAP. Deeper than that, it indicates a fundamental misunderstanding of what we are doing, since they seem to think we are opining actual ( factual) prices
 
Value is an OPINION of what the PRICE should be - PERIOD. No need to respond - although I have no doubt you'll feel compelled to do so - as I will not engage this topic any longer. No matter how many threads you start on it.

Value is an OPINION of what the PRICE should be - provided that all the limitations and parameters of the VALUE DEFINITION are met.

Different VALUES can result in different PRICE opinions.


It's kinda the reason that there are different definitions for "market value" and why you are supposed to cite the definition for the value that is being opined. Something, box checkers don't have to be concerned with, because it is pre-printed on the box checking forms or at least referenced through the lending regulations.


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Wow. You will no longer respond but for others, this is USPAP on it :

PRICE: the amount asked, offered, or paid for a property. Comment: Once stated, price is a fact,
:rof:Once you state your "opinion" it too becomes a "fact" that's why you can be sued over your opinion, not just the development of it, but you can also be sued over the reporting of it.

Tell your "opinion" to a borrower, directly, and see if it is not the "fact" you get sanctioned for.

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:rof:Once you state your "opinion" it too becomes a "fact" that's why you can be sued over your opinion, not just the development of it, but you can also be sued over the reporting of it.

Tell your "opinion" to a borrower, directly, and see if it is not the "fact" you get sanctioned for.

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When we state our opinion, it does not become " a fact " - the appraisal report once delivered is in the hands of a client or user or non intended user . And sadly, non intended users can sue too.

Appraisers get sued for any number of reasons including the buyer or RE agent are not happy with the value, or a material error was discovered etc. But we are not sued because our opinion of value is now a "fact".
That is one of the reasons I am posting on this topic, the understanding that appraisers deliver opinions of value , and not an opinion of price ( fact) protects appraisers.
 
Value is an OPINION of what the PRICE should be - provided that all the limitations and parameters of the VALUE DEFINITION are met.

Different VALUES can result in different PRICE opinions.


It's kinda the reason that there are different definitions for "market value" and why you are supposed to cite the definition for the value that is being opined. Something, box checkers don't have to be concerned with, because it is pre-printed on the box checking forms or at least referenced through the lending regulations.


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good post, and I understand the meaning, but it should have been Different VALUE DEFINITIONS can result in different VALUE OPINIONS .

Appraisers don\t make price opinions. That is not me, that is USPAP ( read this thread from beginning the USPAP section)
 
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