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The Appraiser Shortage Myth Part 43

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so place the blame where it should be - on the lenders choosing to use AMC services. just as no AMC can force an appraiser to complete orders they can't force a lender to utilize their services.

I do place the blame where it should, on poorly written regulations. OMG. All I have ever tried to do in this thread is get people to call a spade a spade.

My solutions? Well if I thought we could get the laws changed, I would advocate for that, but I don't think our lobbying power is going to cut it. As DW pointed out, lenders are quite happy with the current arrangement and they have all the power in DC.

The other solution I advocate, though I am not convinced it would work, but advocate it all the same because I just don't see any other course, is to unionize.

Another solution, though I am still working out just exactly how to make it go, would be to form an appraiser cooperative AMC, that was open to every licensed appraiser in a region and that if successful in recruiting enough of us, could be leveraged.

One key to getting appraisers to unionize, or form a collective, is to first get them on the same page. Much of what I do here is an effort to that goal. For now, appraisers cant even agree on what got us here, let alone agree on what to do about it. I do have hope that will change, the longer we take it up the A**. What worries me are threads like these, where some appraisers appear to enjoy and prefer taking it up the A**, even going so far as to defend the forces (lol) behind (lol again).
 
Most appraisers attribute the shortage of new trainees to the shortage of fees. (Hey, this thread was about the appraiser shortage right?)

I agree with the basic premise that lack of trainees is due in large part to economics (fees). I just don't agree on what drives that issue :)

Another often overlooked issue is the proliferation of policies detrimental to firms (as opposed to sole proprietorships). I trained many over 25+ years, but I would not have done that if I had not had a staff of appraisers that made it easier to absorb the associated costs of training.
 
the myriad other reasons for appraisers to decline to work for AMC's. Among those is the unrelenting stips, irrelevant assignment conditions, 48 hour tat, constant nagging and updating, and abusive treatment from the "reviewers" as well as the risk of nonpayment.
(and to get back on topic of this thread) All some reasons why the "appraiser shortage" is a myth - tough to bring someone new to the industry if all you're doing is chasing your own tail trying to meet all these criteria. Like I said earlier regarding the 48 hr TAT - tough to train someone (at least properly) if you're rushing to get that report done!

I just talked to a buddy of mine at Servicelink the other day who confirmed the 48 hr "goal" (not a requirement) and he asked why that was so hard. I told him, if that's the ONLY assignment I was working on, in my market, it wouldn't be too difficult. I'm urban/suburban and 48 hrs after inspect isn't too difficult. The REALITY of it, though, is that I am full time and generally do NOT have just one assignment sitting on my desk. He didn't like that answer, but he's never been on this side of the fence either.
 
(and to get back on topic of this thread) All some reasons why the "appraiser shortage" is a myth - tough to bring someone new to the industry if all you're doing is chasing your own tail trying to meet all these criteria. Like I said earlier regarding the 48 hr TAT - tough to train someone (at least properly) if you're rushing to get that report done!

I just talked to a buddy of mine at Servicelink the other day who confirmed the 48 hr "goal" (not a requirement) and he asked why that was so hard. I told him, if that's the ONLY assignment I was working on, in my market, it wouldn't be too difficult. I'm urban/suburban and 48 hrs after inspect isn't too difficult. The REALITY of it, though, is that I am full time and generally do NOT have just one assignment sitting on my desk. He didn't like that answer, but he's never been on this side of the fence either.

The scenario you point out is one of the ways appraisers work to keep fees down and profits up. If we did assignments one at a time from start to finish, we would need to charge more. AMCs want both (and hell I don't blame them, I want more of everything too).

I do not work for clients who count turn times in hours, or I tell them I don't count turn times in hours and they can take it or leave it. I count turn times in business days and I count the end of the day at 11:59 pm. Counting in hours is a d-bag move.
 
I agree with the basic premise that lack of trainees is due in large part to economics (fees). I just don't agree on what drives that issue :)

Another often overlooked issue is the proliferation of policies detrimental to firms (as opposed to sole proprietorships). I trained many over 25+ years, but I would not have done that if I had not had a staff of appraisers that made it easier to absorb the associated costs of training.

Let's add you quit independent fee appraisal or did you? That's sticky.
 
the 48 hr "goal" (not a requirement) and he asked why that was so hard. I told him, if that's the ONLY assignment I was working on, in my market, it wouldn't be too difficult.
In all respect to my friend (we go back over 10 yrs) it's just an example of the "typical" mindset (at least in my opinion) of many AMC employees who only know the AMC world. Those that have never been on the appraising side/field work side. My friend feels we (appraisers in general) are overpaid and that we have way too many excuses regarding due dates, appointment times, updates etc (which sometimes is true) He (and others I know on the AMC side, not just at Svclink) doesn't see why certain assignments take longer than others - non complex properties. Again, he's never been on this side of the fence and has never seen why that can sometimes be the case.

FTR, he is an educated guy and NOT a former "Taco Bell" employee with a couple decades of AMC experience, including mgmt roles
 
Some of the revision request are flirting with trouble. Not to mention blast emails that are fastest and cheapest. I would be concerned about La if I were in the AMC business after them shifting it to the attorney general.
 
I do place the blame where it should, on poorly written regulations. OMG. All I have ever tried to do in this thread is get people to call a spade a spade.

My solutions? Well if I thought we could get the laws changed, I would advocate for that, but I don't think our lobbying power is going to cut it. As DW pointed out, lenders are quite happy with the current arrangement and they have all the power in DC.

The other solution I advocate, though I am not convinced it would work, but advocate it all the same because I just don't see any other course, is to unionize.

Another solution, though I am still working out just exactly how to make it go, would be to form an appraiser cooperative AMC, that was open to every licensed appraiser in a region and that if successful in recruiting enough of us, could be leveraged.

One key to getting appraisers to unionize, or form a collective, is to first get them on the same page. Much of what I do here is an effort to that goal. For now, appraisers cant even agree on what got us here, let alone agree on what to do about it. I do have hope that will change, the longer we take it up the A**. What worries me are threads like these, where some appraisers appear to enjoy and prefer taking it up the A**, even going so far as to defend the forces (lol) behind (lol again).

All the above have been tried, none of worked (including the cooperative run Appraiser AMC) Some good ideas but they are too difficult to implement- on a positive note, I just got a direct order from a client who was using AMC's- a thawing of the trend.

I 'll share what I believe would have positive impact, and be rather simple to do- a public out reach website from appraisers esp geared toward borrowers, sellers , and RE agents ,, written in plain language (not appraiser nerd techno ), that explains to them AMC's, how they work, how much of the fee split they can take, and the methods they use to select an appraiser (blast email, bidding and the like ) The AMC's dont' have to be named, (lawsuit bait), nor any particular lender named. Just a bullet point list for borrowers to use when they apply for a loan, questions to ask the lender if they use an AMC, advising a borrower should choose another lender if the lender is evasive in answering the questions. Get up a fund , email appraisers to contribute to pay a good web designer to link the appraiser reach out to public website to loan rate sites, RE topic, house search sites etc. Pay to advertise on a couple of high profile sites if it brings clicks.

In addition the appraiser website could have general information about appraisal and how an appraisal can help a buyer or seller.

Public exposure of what is being done about appraisals, the fees, the stinky methods of selection of the bottom feeders, the negative customer perception/bad PR fallout, THAT is something the lenders understand, and can impact them to clean up their act about AMC's., fees, splits etc. We cant' get "rid" of AMC's, but there is possibility lenders can be motivated out of if nothing else, self interest about losing customers, aka fear of negative PR ,to see the AMC';s they work with pay better, or go to cost plus, or some lenders might choose to order direct as their own borrowers are no longer in the dark and now informed.
 
All the above have been tried, none of worked (including the cooperative run Appraiser AMC)

never heard of that. what was the name of the company? why did it fail? how long were they in business?

I 'll share what I believe would have positive impact, and be rather simple to do- a public out reach website from appraisers esp geared toward borrowers, sellers , and RE agents ,, written in plain language (not appraiser nerd techno ), that explains to them AMC's, how they work, how much of the fee split they can take, and the methods they use to select an appraiser (blast email, bidding and the like ) The AMC's dont' have to be named, (lawsuit bait), nor any particular lender named. Just a bullet point list for borrowers to use when they apply for a loan, questions to ask the lender if they use an AMC, advising a borrower should choose another lender if the lender is evasive in answering the questions. Get up a fund , email appraisers to contribute to pay a good web designer to link the appraiser reach out to public website to loan rate sites, RE topic, house search sites etc. Pay to advertise on a couple of high profile sites if it brings clicks.

In addition the appraiser website could have general information about appraisal and how an appraisal can help a buyer or seller.

sounds like you are on to something. please let us know when your site launches.
 
never heard of that. what was the name of the company? why did it fail? how long were they in business?
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Ask Evincere about the appraiser - cooperative run AMC...it was called National Valuation Service (NVS), I am sure that she can tell you everything that you want to know about it...assuming that she is willing todiscuss it.

I know that they tried to set up an AMC that was supposedly run on a cooperative non-profit model and that it did not work out in the long run. I heard different rumors about why it failed, but I am not going to repeat those rumors because I have no way of verifying the rumors and I don't have any personal knowledge of what happened.
 
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