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Third Parties Claim To "external Obsolescence" - The Whole Street!

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#3- don't worry about it, there is literally nothing that YOU can do about it. It is a legal issue, not an appraisal issue.

Best advice yet. If the conditions of grandfathered use is spelled out in the local zoning code. It would be my guess that it would take a change in the zoning code to remove or modify that part of the code. A change of that type would more than likely impact an untold number of properties that fall under that part of the code. The peasants would be storming the castle if that happened. If the neighbors only point is that it is a multi family property. I do not see a course of action that the neighbors could take. Unless the multi family property is determined to be some type of nuisance (crack house, not maintained, rodent problems, etc.). Then that would be a different issue not related to being grandfathered.
 
DD said, This is about my sister who has been calling me in tears because she rents a unit at the subject property and recently the neighbors have been appealing to the City in hopes of regulating the use into a single family (and no longer multifamily) use. Thereby forcing her landlord to terminate her....."

I suggest you consult, do not pass Go, an attorney who is experienced in inverse condemnation.
 
If they force the LL to change use then they are engaging in a taking under the 4 the amendment. So the people making the claim should provide proof via an appraisal and support it with proof their property have been impacted.
 
5th Amendment?
That's true. It is a minor point in the context of this discussion(he mispoke). The real scary situation is that the fifth interpretation has been changed somewhat by the activist Supreme court. I totally disagree with this evolutionary change/interpretation. Basically it is an end run around the fifth.

So if the neighborhood attempts to get the Municipality to 'Take' this multi-family' I doubt they will succeed. Here is why I say it will probably fail: They might try to make this property into a small park. Depending on the neighborhood this might work. It will take enormous amount of money. Legal Cost far exceeding any benefit to the SFR owners. They could attempt to use a Taking. Where your sister has a legitimate concern depends on the neighborhood individual income of the the neighborhood. If its very high and the social standing in that neighborhood is very connected politically. they could use Code Enforcement as a cudgel against the multi-family owner. So much so that he would sell. For the right money(to sell) or the threat of large cost to defend him/herself again could be sufficient motivation to sell. I know some wealthy people in my neighborhood who would not back down on principle.

So without knowing some major details I think your sister probably does not have anything to worry about.

Hope this makes sense.

Below is for reference only.

Q. Can eminent domain be used to take my property and give it to another private party?

A. The federal and state constitutions say that property may only be condemned for “public use.” For many years, “public use” meant that property could be taken for things like roads, schools, and public buildings. Later, courts allowed eminent domain to be used for private corporations developing public utilities, like electric companies and railroads. In the 1950’s, eminent domain became increasingly used for “slum clearance.” Once an area was declared to be a slum or “blighted,” property could be taken using eminent domain and then transferred to another private party. More recently, local governments have tried to use eminent domain to transfer land to other private parties. Whether and under what circumstances courts will allow this use of eminent domain is a matter of state law. Several states permit condemnations for economic development, but some do not. You should consult with an experienced eminent domain lawyer in your state to determine if the condemnation threatening your property is legal.
 
Maybe it is a crack house.
 
if it is perceived by the buyer pool as undesirable.

And not just by the neighbors that live there. This is usually the issue with the NIMBYs. They don't like what's going on next door, but the market rarely reflects it.

So the people making the claim should provide proof via an appraisal and support it with proof their property have been impacted.

Exactly. Complaining to the local gov bureaucrats is cheap and easy, once they have to shell out money to prove their case, the will to fight tends to all but disappear.
 
That's true. It is a minor point in the context of this discussion(he mispoke). The real scary situation is that the fifth interpretation has been changed somewhat by the activist Supreme court. I totally disagree with this evolutionary change/interpretation. Basically it is an end run around the fifth.

So if the neighborhood attempts to get the Municipality to 'Take' this multi-family' I doubt they will succeed. Here is why I say it will probably fail: They might try to make this property into a small park. Depending on the neighborhood this might work. It will take enormous amount of money. Legal Cost far exceeding any benefit to the SFR owners. They could attempt to use a Taking. Where your sister has a legitimate concern depends on the neighborhood individual income of the the neighborhood. If its very high and the social standing in that neighborhood is very connected politically. they could use Code Enforcement as a cudgel against the multi-family owner. So much so that he would sell. For the right money(to sell) or the threat of large cost to defend him/herself again could be sufficient motivation to sell. I know some wealthy people in my neighborhood who would not back down on principle.

So without knowing some major details I think your sister probably does not have anything to worry about.

Hope this makes sense.

Below is for reference only.

Q. Can eminent domain be used to take my property and give it to another private party?

A. The federal and state constitutions say that property may only be condemned for “public use.” For many years, “public use” meant that property could be taken for things like roads, schools, and public buildings. Later, courts allowed eminent domain to be used for private corporations developing public utilities, like electric companies and railroads. In the 1950’s, eminent domain became increasingly used for “slum clearance.” Once an area was declared to be a slum or “blighted,” property could be taken using eminent domain and then transferred to another private party. More recently, local governments have tried to use eminent domain to transfer land to other private parties. Whether and under what circumstances courts will allow this use of eminent domain is a matter of state law. Several states permit condemnations for economic development, but some do not. You should consult with an experienced eminent domain lawyer in your state to determine if the condemnation threatening your property is legal.


The case was
Kelo v. City of New London, 545 U.S. 469 (2005)
DOJ link here:
https://ij.org/case/kelo/

However,

If the "neighbors" have owned their property for less time than the existence of the subject property's current use,
then they are also claiming that they bought low value property, if the neighborhood was negatively impacted and now want to unjustly enrich themselves at the expense of the sister, by having the sister's property removed.

This is a legal consideration that requires a good lawyer, way ahead of asking appraisers.

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Maybe it is a crack house.


I doubt that crack houses have ever been a legal use.

To the OP, are the neighbors suing the LL or are they simply complaining to the City? I think complaints to the City would essentially fall on deaf ears; the city knows that little or nothing can be done to a legal, non-conforming use. OTOH, is they've hired a lawyer, that's another issue. If that's the case, I think the LL would have a very good case to counter sue; he's doing nothing wrong.

The non-conforming use was likely in place long before the neighbors bought into the neighborhood. If the property values are negatively affected, it follows that they were already affected when they bought and they purchased at a lower price; they were already 'damaged'.

Tell your Sis to chill. The city will do nothing (99.99% sure of this). Lawsuits take forever. There's no reason for tears.
 
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