Thirdhand Smoke And Home Value

[glenn walker]

China is investing billions in solar and alternate energy as is the rest of the world because that is the future not just environmentally but economically. All the USA is accomplishing is losing more ground to the other developed nations

The problem with MAGA is it;s past looking,. The "again" of MAGA, whatever past glory ear he's trying to recapture, forgets that in those eras, America including govt research was a leader and on the cutting edge of science and technology- whatever it was at the time, vs now it is falling behind .

Get out and start working on that November Blue Wave

 

[timd354]

Never heard of it. But the ingredients look tempting: https://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/1016754-butter-chicken

Butter chicken is quite delicious...there is local Indian restaurant here that makes it really well

 

[RCA]

Bert maybe you died and made it to heaven ? or maybe you have just had a meltdown, either way get out of appraising and sell Real Estate, You can specialize in smoke free and environmentally safe homes

No comment.

 

[miktay]

So, in regards to the topic of smoke infested homes and appraising, I wondering if any would check the "yes" box near the bottom of page one where the 1004 form asks "are there any physical deficiencies or adverse conditions that affect the livability, soundness or structural integrity of the property?"

It could be argued by some that the smell of second (or third?) hand cigarette smoke is an adverse condition that affects livability. I know people who would never consider a smoke house.
I'm on the fence and can see both sides.
Disagreements?

 

[Tim The Enchanter]

Some would not check that box if there was a volcano erupting in the living room.
What's a little smoke residue?

 

[bnmappraisal]

So, in regards to the topic of smoke infested homes and appraising, I wondering if any would check the "yes" box near the bottom of page one where the 1004 form asks "are there any physical deficiencies or adverse conditions that affect the livability, soundness or structural integrity of the property?"

I think that it could be (easily ) argued that the smell of secondhand cigarette smoke is an adverse condition that affects livability. Disagreements?

(my bold - disagreement) Yes ... My counter would be "prove it"

 

[miktay]

(my bold - disagreement) Yes ... My counter would be "prove it"

See post #1. He posted several studies from Canada.
I think that there have been thousands of studies showing that SHS is harmful. Medical professionals know this with studies.
People know this, and consequently pay less for a home stinking of SHS compared with the same home next door without smokers. Appraisers know this with comps.
I'm not saying I would necessarily check the box.

 

[Carlos Danger]

What is third hand smoke and how can I get some?

 

[TRESinc]

So, in regards to the topic of smoke infested homes and appraising, I wondering if any would check the "yes" box near the bottom of page one where the 1004 form asks "are there any physical deficiencies or adverse conditions that affect the livability, soundness or structural integrity of the property?"

I think that it could be (easily ) argued that the smell of secondhand cigarette smoke is an adverse condition that affects livability. Disagreements?

no, i would not and did not. just completed a report where there was a significant smell of cigarettes in a house that sold for list price after 19 days on the market. i specifically asked both agents if the smell had been a factor and both said they had not had a single comment about it. the selling agent said their buyers didn't care at all as they, like most buyers, wanted to repaint and put in new carpeting/flooring no matter what house they bought to make it "their own".

 

[Deleted member 130081]

Ha. The social engineering thing with cigarette smokers is real. When we started the program at Advanced Micro Devices to eliminate smoking it was all about social engineering. First separate the smokers from the non-smokers. Funny most of the smokers did not want to sit in the smoking section (less social status). So, they had to go outside to smoke of course. But then that was where everyone could seem them on entering and exiting the building. Smoking population dropped rather dramatically.

Three cheers for "social engineering".

I am trying real hard Bert, real hard, but I think I am going to succumb to an addiction of my own here...

This may seem like I am just saying this to you Bert, but really I am saying it to everyone...


How about, 3 cheers for true colors showing themselves.

The truth, is very often quite simple. However, the truth can also be terrifying. On the other hand lies, are usually quite complicated. One common theme found in most lies is they usually have the truth wrapped all around them. That's really what makes them effective. The layman's term is smoke and mirrors. The other thing that makes lies so effective, is that the truth is sometimes terrifying. Somehow Bert, I have a feeling you might know all this.

Here is a simple truth. The truth will set you free. But maybe you know that. And maybe you don't like what freedom looks like, so have decided all people should be willing slaves as yourself? There is only one sort of person who would ever cheer for social engineering that is anything more than a step or two to the left of Anarchy - a terrified one.

I'll entertain no more of your terrified drivel. I've looked into all the ramblings of appraisers like yourself I come across. I too wonder if these methods of data analysis could be helpful in the appraisal process. What I have found every time, and I mean each and every time, is a person who simply enjoys digging into the data and employing formulas so much, they want to do it all the time and, want others to do it all the time too, because that's the only way they can do it all the time and compete with those who don't. The only way they have a chance at getting everyone to do it, is to ignore the shortcomings. It's an addiction Bert. You're a smart guy. Think about how that electric brain of yours really works.

Appraisals employ ordinary assumptions. It's how we actually get through a report and on to the next one. It's really a matter of practicality. And, a matter of common sense.

Lies, damn lies and statistics...now there's a simple truth.

Appraiser 12 Step Program

1) Admit you are powerless over data and your life has become unmanageable
2) Come to believe a power greater than yourself can restore you to sanity (your peers dummy)
3) Make a decision to turn your life over to that power greater than yourself
4) Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of yourself
5) Communicate to yourself, and others, the exact nature of your wrongs
6) Become willing and ready to allow a power greater than yourself remove your shortcomings
7) Ask a power greater than yourself to remove your shortcomings
8) Make a list of all people you have harmed and become willing to make ammends
9) Make direct amends to the people you have harmed, unless doing so would cause further harm
10) Continue to take personal inventory and when wrong, promptly admit it
11) Sought through meditation to improve your conscious contact with the universe, seek to only better understand the universe and it's laws that govern your existence
12) Having had a conscious awakening as a result of these steps, try to carry this message to other data science addicted appraisers, and practice these principles in all your affairs

Now, time to go in the garage, have a smoke, and wonder how much less my house is worth.