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This may be the straw to break the camels back

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Richard,
Would we get more appraisers to respond by composing a single letter that focuses on the issue as there may be many appraisers, my self included, that do not fully comprehend the issue and it's implications and ramifactions. A letter penned by some of our more informed and eloquent colleagues may get signed and delivered by more appraisers than if it were left up to individuals. What say all of you?
 
I did not see one posted. Perhaps there is one in the HUD site.

I would look but it is Sunday and I've been writing reports since 5 and have 3 inspections to do this afternoon. Sort of busy right now. If you could search it out, it would help us all. Thanks.

Regards

"Busy in the North"
 
Richard,
You must be working overtime as I cannot make sense of your most recent post, that is if it were a response to my last post.
What I was proposing is that we (the forum) compose a letter together, that addresses this issue, and have those that want to sign there name to it do so. Then we deliver it to those who need to see it, i.e. Regulations Division, Office of General Counsel, HUD, Room 10276, 471 7th Street SW, Washington, DC, 20410 amongst others.
Richard, I am not sure why your name appears at the bottom of TERR's post so maybe I am confused as to who wrote that post.
 
Fred, that was my post. I just quoted Richard so he would remember the address he posted previously.

sorry for any confusion.

Terr
 
Fred;

I am working TOO many hours. Up at 5am this morning to write reports. Took a break about 7:30 to go for an easy 20 mile bike ride and got caught in a downpour. 3 miles of driving rain on a bike will set you up nicely. Then after lunch I was off to do 2 inspections for a good private client this afternoon.

Right now I'm whooped and don't mind admitting it. I may just bag it in an hour or so and head down to the river for a little trout fishing for a couple hours. Bet my attitude tomorrow would be better.
 
Frederick, .......While the idea of writing a group-letter and submitting to HUD has inherent power, our Petition signed by upwards of 6500 has a similar strength-in-numbers power of its own. Is the Petition being printed out once a week or once a month by its host and put in the appropriate in-boxes at HUD and other places to show our NEW total and highlighted names of new signers since the week or month before ? Or, is our Petition just gathering dust here within the Forum for all we Forumites to see ? Really, though, how is one group-letter effective ? Who wants to draft it ? How will it be signed by all of "us" and then delivered ? When one letter is written the reader is put to the minimal of tasks. Back on page 2 of this posting thread I outlined the items I emphasized in the 2-pg. legal-size letter I drafted and sent to that given address Friday afternoon. That was my first of such letters I have ever sent. I got moved, sat down, and cranked it out and sent it hardcopy via snail-mail. Remember the classic Christmas movie we all have seen a few times in our life..."The Miracle on 34th Street". Was that it ? The one, where the court clerks carry in sack after sack of letters from kids expressing belief in Santa Claus and addressed to the North Pole. Talk about evidence to put that case into rapid adjournment ! If 6500+ Petition signers actually did take an hour out to draft up and HARDCOPY mail their list of pet-peeves AND, yes, yes, possible elements of support, then maybe they would actually see a real stack-of-stuff ! Would that be a gauge of our sincerity and belief that the "system" needs to tweaked in a different direction ? Could we be delegated more control and responsibility in preserving the sanctity of taxpayers money and trust. We are supposed to do that with private and conventional lending too, right ? If government is going to show that they can not do it right, then we need to be heard...........Honey ? Have you seen my musket and black powder lately ? What closet did I put that in ? ....Looks like I may have to go to Washington. Tell Jeremiah to prepare my horse, and have him not forget the cured bacon and hardtack. I just hate going on the trail without my hardtack !
 
Ross, While I understand your position, I still maintain that the majority of appraisers will not take the time. The Petition itself is testiment to how working together (as opposed to individually i.e. several thousand letters) has actually gotton some response from appraisers as a unified body. I know there exists many more appraisers than those that have signed the petition, but are they they opposing it in a unified manner? No they are just apathetic or too busy. Even the lurkers at this forum might be more inclined to sign a letter if it was provided and they agreed on the statement and intent.
Furthermore, it does not have to be one letter with many signatures, it can be many copies edited and signed by the individual.
Just like in that old movie, do you think that Santa would read the content of all the letters? no because they all say the same thing and that is basically that all kids want toys for christmas. Same thing here, not so much the individual content but the numbers of appraisers wanting essentially the same thing. Less regulation by non appraisers, less coersion, more respect, more money. more input, etc...

Maybe I am just dreaming that we could make a difference in our own carreer's.
 
Here is a copy of my letter. Anybody that wants to borrow, ammend, add can feel free. Any suggestions on changes would be appreciated too.


Regulations Division
Office of General Counsel, HUD, Room 10276
471 7th Street SW
Washington, DC 20410



RE: Appraiser Watch
HUD No. 02-081



Mr. Martinez,

I recently read the above mentioned announcement regarding “appraiser watch”. I am all for appraiser checks and balances, appraisal review and appraiser performance rankings. However, this new program directed at “default and claim rates” for appraisers is misguided and quite short sighted. The quote “faulty appraisals, whether intentional or not, contribute to the inability of home buyers to make monthly mortgage payments and to the instability of neighborhoods” is not supportable. The last time I checked, appraisers have nothing to do with the qualification, approval or disapproval of prospective home buyers.

Our duty is to estimate market value of properties and has nothing to do with the individual home owners. There lies the misguided and short sighted views of HUD. I agree that fraudulent appraisals are a hindrance to of the entire mortgage system. I perform field reviews for Freddie Mac and FNMA. The amount of fraud and misleading appraisals I see on a weekly basis is appalling. The substandard reports I review take so much work that I must charge above the typical fee for the field review because the work pertaining to the review is compounded by the false and misleading data. However, the only combatant for the fraudulent appraisal is a field review. This “appraiser watch” does not single out misleading appraisals, it singles out poor home buyers who were approved for home loans that they could not afford or handle.

The “appraiser watch” should be a “lender watch”. If you addressed the offending lenders, you would be addressing the offending appraisers at the same time. Take it from me, an honest appraiser, who gets chastised as being “too conservative” from numerous lenders. My problem is I require the FHA repairs that the HUD checklist entails and I only use sales out of the subject’s immediate market area. I do very few FHA appraisals because of this fact. There are numerous appraisers out there who ignore the HUD checklist and use sales outside the market area, because of lender pressure and coercion. If there was no lender pressure there would be very little appraisal fraud. The source of the problem is not the appraiser, so why should the appraiser be addressed as a source?

I visited the “appraiser claim and default rate” page at the HUD site before it was quickly removed again. I was not surprised that my default rate was higher than every appraiser I checked, You see, I only did 37 FHA appraisals and I had 4 defaults. I had a 13% default rate. Meanwhile, I checked the default rate for some of the appraisers notorious for “hitting the number” and for “ignoring repairs”. Their default rates were amazing low (2-5%). Then I saw that they had performed over 400 HUD appraisals and I know they did not inspect them all personally. So, my conclusion is that I, an honest appraiser, will do fewer FHA appraisals because I require repairs and give an honest value, but my default will be high because I do not conduct credit checks on borrowers before performing the appraisal. Meanwhile, the appraisers you are after will continue to “fly under the radar”.





As you can see, I have discovered the obvious. I am in danger of removal from the approved HUD list for performing honest, true appraisals. While the appraisers and lenders you should be after continue to get rich. If and when I get a notice about HUD removal I will be obtaining legal counsel and I will be seeking damages. I can defend any appraisal I perform, HUD or otherwise, but I can not defend myself against outside forces (borrower’s default and/or lender transgressions). I especially like the quote “any appraiser who receives such notice may meet with HUD officials to present evidence that factors beyond his or her control contributed to the excessive rates”. Isn’t every foreclosure out of our control? We do not issue the mortgage, check credit, interview the borrower or collect the mortgage payment. The intelligence in the whole program is questionable. This new system is so flawed it is almost humorous. Unless you are the honest appraiser under scrutiny.

I am contemplating not accepting FHA appraisal orders anymore without a seeing the borrower’s credit rating, debt ratio and mortgage application. I believe that is against some privacy laws. By the way, lets get serious about one issue. The only way to curb appraisal fraud is to actively review appraisals. This is not done. It is expensive, but I believe the cost of a review is much less than the cost of a default claim or any misrepresented “appraiser watch” program that does not do what it is intended to do. HUD should accept responsibility and take the appropriate action that any logical person with actual knowledge of the mortgage industry should see. How can only the honest appraisers see what is going on and everybody else turn a “blind eye” to the situation. Take away lender pressure and coercion and the majority inflated appraisals disappear. Surely HUD is not blind. If every appraiser thought every appraisal was going to be reviewed, things might change. Until this happens nothing will change, but you will lose one honest appraiser which should not be your goal.





Sincerely,
 
Tim, Well Done!
one suggestions,
Paragraph 3: "My problem is I require the FHA repairs that the HUD checklist entails and I only use sales out of the subject’s immediate market area." I think you wanted to say...My problem is I require the FHA repairs that the HUD checklist entails and I only use sales from FROM WITHIN the subject’s immediate market area.
 
Thanks, Frederick. Fresh eyes always help. I am sure I will be bombarded with other slight errors now. Better now than later. :)
 
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